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laser_eyes: Ok, Mr Purity, turn your computer off now and never turn it on again. Of course that means that you can never play a PC game again, but that's your standard. Microsoft does a lot of business in China and llike every company that does business here they obey the orders of the government. So follow your standard. Turn off your computer and never turn it on again. You want to boycott companies that do business in China. Then you can't use Windows. No more PC games for you.
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alexandros050: He will never do it...he is to busy being a warrior on the internet and texting from his cell-phone that is created in China that chinese people have to work in awful conditions to create....
You can both repeat the perfect solution fallacy all you want, but that doesn't make it any less of a fallacy. Seat belts don't always save people from car accidents either so I guess you're against people wearing them? And since our courts can't possibly stop every murder before it happens I guess we should stop prosecuting murderers?

This issue doesn't matter to you, and that's totally fine, but this line of reasoning isn't the silver bullet you think it is.
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Time4Tea: Cyberpunk 2077 has cosmetic content built in to the game that acts as a reward for players who are using Galaxy. My understanding is this is not a seperate downloadable DLC, but single-player content that is part of the base game, which is only accessible after the player has completed online verification via Galaxy (it is not available to non-Galaxy users). Therefore, it is by definition DRM. Some people are trying to excuse it, because it is supposedly minor cosmetic content; however, it sets a terrible precedent and is still a violation of GOG's '100% DRM-free' promise. 99.9% is not 100%.

Then GOG (and any other business that is based in a country that values democracy and freedom of speech should not be doing business in China, if it involves submitting to censorship and other ethically questionable behavior. And Western consumers should reject and boycott those companies that do. Why are you living there anyway, if they are such an oppressive regime?

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/devotion

6000+ votes and counting! Rise up! Make your voices heard! Let's show them what 'messages from many gamers' really looks like!
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laser_eyes: Ok, Mr Purity, turn your computer off now and never turn it on again. Of course that means that you can never play a PC game again, but that's your standard. Microsoft does a lot of business in China and llike every company that does business here they obey the orders of the government. So follow your standard. Turn off your computer and never turn it on again. You want to boycott companies that do business in China. Then you can't use Windows. No more PC games for you.
But my computer/phone manufacturers and Microsoft didn't ignored what customers want to pleased the Chinese...what GOG is doing now makes me feel like the players that want the game are not important to GOG and they didn't even respond just shows they really don't care.
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I still don't know why GOG decided to pull the game so close to its planned release on the store.
It seems more like self-censorship that major outside pressure. Just like the mandatory underwear for my Cyberpunk character, it's a business decision meant to generate a larger userbase.

You see, we are all equally worthless to CDP, CDPR and GOG. We exist only as possible sources of revenues that need to be maxed out. There is nothing to be gained from fighting amongst ourselves but if we stand together, we might not get scammed into buying unfinished products again.

As for the game, itself... I don't dislike RedCandleGames. I got their previous game "Detention" on Steam. They offered an apology and made changes to the game to avoid offending anyone in the future. They should get a chance to release the game again at some point. I don't dislike the CCP and Xi Jinping, either. It is up to the Chinese people to decide what kind of leadership they want and what they feel offended by. But I will say that I believe mainland China and Taiwan are stronger together and still share much common ground in terms of history and culture.

I also believe that GOG would be stronger by listening to its userbase and living up to its own standards.
If you don't want to list a game because you fear past controversy could spark future controversy then don't decide to pull back just before you had announced a release. GOG needs to decide what its identity is supposed to be. Are you here for people who want preservation of good ol' games? Are you here to give everyone a DRM free option without compromise? Or do you just want to grow a bigger userbase and more profits by any means necessary to become the poor man's steam of people scammed into the Cyberpunk Beta? A place of sometimes. Sometimes DRM. Sometimes old games. Sometimes new games. Sometimes pulling a game to possibly have more leverage with another batch of future users?
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TencentInvestor: You see, we are all equally worthless to CDP, CDPR and GOG. We exist only as possible sources of revenues that need to be maxed out. There is nothing to be gained from fighting amongst ourselves but if we stand together, we might not get scammed into buying unfinished products again.
Uhhh duh....that is with every business....Nobody cares about you or me....not gog , not scheam , not m$crosoft , not apple etc.
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TencentInvestor: You see, we are all equally worthless to CDP, CDPR and GOG. We exist only as possible sources of revenues that need to be maxed out. There is nothing to be gained from fighting amongst ourselves but if we stand together, we might not get scammed into buying unfinished products again.
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alexandros050: Uhhh duh....that is with every business....Nobody cares about you or me....not gog , not scheam , not microsoft , not apple etc.
But they will have to fix their mistakes when it messes with their money. When everyone refunds a broken game, releasing another broken game will not be on the agenda again anytime soon.
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alexandros050: Uhhh duh....that is with every business....Nobody cares about you or me....not gog , not scheam , not microsoft , not apple etc.
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TencentInvestor: But they will have to fix their mistakes when it messes with their money. When everyone refunds a broken game, releasing another broken game will not be on the agenda again anytime soon.
If you talk about consoles yes ..they should fix (regarding ps4 and xbox one....ps5 and xbox series will receive enhanced edition in 2021 at least)...on Pc the game is fine ...in probably 1-2 months things will be fixed....Let's not pretend that every game doesn't have bugs on release....Thing is people got dissapointed because they thought this would be a real life game...people like me that kept their expectations on a good level and know how the witcher 3 was we are happy.
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laser_eyes: Ok, Mr Purity, turn your computer off now and never turn it on again. Of course that means that you can never play a PC game again, but that's your standard. Microsoft does a lot of business in China and llike every company that does business here they obey the orders of the government. So follow your standard. Turn off your computer and never turn it on again. You want to boycott companies that do business in China. Then you can't use Windows. No more PC games for you.
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AmethystViper: Get off your high horse, dipshit.
Read the original post:

"We should never, ever bow to censorship or blackmail from a totalitarian dictatorship. Screw censorship. Screw the CCP. Screw Xinnie the Pooh. And, of course, screw DRM and any game that contains DRM (including Cyberpunk)."

I'm not the one on a high horse.

By the way, I guess the fact that you didn't even attempt to counter my argument means I must have a point.
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949801422: So, I am a Chinese player, and I can understand your anger, but in fact, foreigners cannot understand. This is a serious problem in China, which cannot be offended and is a political correctness. Just like racism and homosexuality in the United States. If the dedication is listed on GOG, then Chinese users cannot access GOG (just possible) just like steam.
GOG has many users in China, but they don't like communication. Here, CDPR has a large number of advertisements in China, and even middle school students have purchased Cyberpunk 2077.
I just used GOG,
I buy games on GOG almost every day. I don’t want GOG to be shut down. Because of steam and GOG, piracy is decreasing significantly. Among the players I know, more and more people have PS4, SWITCH, XBOX
and...If you want to play dedication, you can go to the PlayStation store
Nobody is forcing you to buy or play the game...Just don't buy it if you don't like it. Imagine if I had the restaurants remove your favorite dish from the menu because I'm allergic to it. it's just not right, also the "offensive" content in the game had already been removed 2 years ago...what exactly offend you guys now?
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s60416: Nobody is forcing you to buy or play the game...Just don't buy it if you don't like it. Imagine if I had the restaurants remove your favorite dish from the menu because I'm allergic to it. it's just not right, also the "offensive" content in the game had already been removed 2 years ago...what exactly offend you guys now?
I don't think they're offended, they're scared that their government won't allow them access to the whole store anymore, if the release of Devotion draws attention to it. (That's not to excuse it, just to give an explanation what these "messages from gamers" might have been about.)
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949801422: So, I am a Chinese player, and I can understand your anger, but in fact, foreigners cannot understand. This is a serious problem in China, which cannot be offended and is a political correctness. Just like racism and homosexuality in the United States. If the dedication is listed on GOG, then Chinese users cannot access GOG (just possible) just like steam.
GOG has many users in China, but they don't like communication. Here, CDPR has a large number of advertisements in China, and even middle school students have purchased Cyberpunk 2077.
I just used GOG,
I buy games on GOG almost every day. I don’t want GOG to be shut down. Because of steam and GOG, piracy is decreasing significantly. Among the players I know, more and more people have PS4, SWITCH, XBOX
and...If you want to play dedication, you can go to the PlayStation store
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s60416: Nobody is forcing you to buy or play the game...Just don't buy it if you don't like it. Imagine if I had the restaurants remove your favorite dish from the menu because I'm allergic to it. it's just not right, also the "offensive" content in the game had already been removed 2 years ago...what exactly offend you guys now?
It's impressive how international the GOG userbase is. All the more surprising that GOG didn't give this planned release more of a thought. I agree with you, friend. Red Candle Games should get a chance to release the game again. The offensive content was removed. Besides, one indie game doesn't change anything about the bigger picture.
The entire EU acknowledges the One-China policy and there is no change to that on the horizon. Not much harm is done if a Polish company adds a game to its store that was made by people who probably don't like Xi Jinping very much.
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s60416: Nobody is forcing you to buy or play the game...Just don't buy it if you don't like it. Imagine if I had the restaurants remove your favorite dish from the menu because I'm allergic to it. it's just not right, also the "offensive" content in the game had already been removed 2 years ago...what exactly offend you guys now?
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Leroux: I don't think they're offended, they're scared that their government won't allow them access to the whole store anymore, if the release of Devotion draws attention to it. (That's not to excuse it, just to give an explanation what these "messages from gamers" might have been about.)
I can totally understand this line of reasoning, so why can't GOG be a little more transparent about it if that's the deal?
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Leroux: I don't think they're offended, they're scared that their government won't allow them access to the whole store anymore, if the release of Devotion draws attention to it. (That's not to excuse it, just to give an explanation what these "messages from gamers" might have been about.)
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RafaelRamus: I can totally understand this line of reasoning, so why can't GOG be a little more transparent about it if that's the deal?
Because there is neither transparency nor consistency in anything they put out recently. GOG is not keeping it together.
It's all just poor life choices like that time when I preordered Cyberpunk.
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I always thought Poles were tough and fought against oppression. I recall when Lech Walesa cofounded the solidarity movement to protest against communism and the Soviet Union. Poles were the first to reject communism then.
What is wrong with the younger generation of Poles operating GoG?
You are a disgrace for cowering to communist China!
More than 6875 customers want Devotion released.
You are not serving your customers interests if you don't release Devotion..
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949801422: So, I am a Chinese player, and I can understand your anger, but in fact, foreigners cannot understand. This is a serious problem in China, which cannot be offended and is a political correctness. Just like racism and homosexuality in the United States. If the dedication is listed on GOG, then Chinese users cannot access GOG (just possible) just like steam.
GOG has many users in China, but they don't like communication. Here, CDPR has a large number of advertisements in China, and even middle school students have purchased Cyberpunk 2077.
I just used GOG,
I buy games on GOG almost every day. I don’t want GOG to be shut down. Because of steam and GOG, piracy is decreasing significantly. Among the players I know, more and more people have PS4, SWITCH, XBOX
and...If you want to play dedication, you can go to the PlayStation store
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s60416: Nobody is forcing you to buy or play the game...Just don't buy it if you don't like it. Imagine if I had the restaurants remove your favorite dish from the menu because I'm allergic to it. it's just not right, also the "offensive" content in the game had already been removed 2 years ago...what exactly offend you guys now?
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