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Posted December 26, 2022
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Syphon72: Mobile apps are bad now? This place is funny.
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ListyG: Have you actually developed any mobile apps yourself, or at least read any reviews of mobile apps lately? A few positive rated ones and thousands upon thousands of "doesn't work properly" comments up to and including major banks where an app will be expected to work on OS versions as diverse as Android 5-13, mobiles, tablets & chrome-books, x86 & ARM, all different hardware, maybe Apple vs Android variants too, etc, that ends up a massive time-sink (universally far more than mobile app developer originally intended / budgeted for). When you're a small PC gaming store with an already overburdened support team, spreading those limited resources too thinly isn't "free", it'll mean even longer support ticket wait ties for actual PC gamers whilst the queue gets clogged up with "Galaxy Mobile doesn't work properly" / "keeps crashing" / "why can't I play these GOG games on my Android phone?" tickets from those who've never heard of GOG, saw the 'gaming app' on Google Play and thought they are selling Android games then swear to never use 'that GOG store' again for "lying". 100% guaranteed. Been there and seen that at work.
One app bad, equals all apps bad. I get it.
Post edited December 26, 2022 by Syphon72
Posted December 26, 2022
I did my part to say the reason I like to shop here is because of DRM-Free games and GOG's efforts to bring back classic releases. The only bad part of the survey was that point and click adventures games and visual novels were not listed as genre choices. GOG has been pretty good at bringing new ones here lately so please continue to support this niche.
Posted December 26, 2022
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Syphon72: One app bad, equals all apps bad. I get it.
Whether it's bad or not, it's yet another thing for GOG's over-strained and under-staffed support team to deal with. Dismissing everything you don't like to hear with empty one-liners isn't going to change that.
Posted December 26, 2022
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Syphon72: Mobile apps are bad now? This place is funny.
I value my privacy. Have you ever read the terms of service as a precondition of use with most mobile apps? I don't appreciate that I'm expected to consent to having my online activities snooped upon if I want to use said app. I also don't enjoy ads, especially targeted ads.

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ValamirCleaver: The erosion of GOG's DRM-free so-called "principles" will most likely continue, especially if the proposed merger of Microsoft & Activison/Blizzard is completed. https://www.cgmagonline.com/news/microsoft-activision-blizzard-ftc-saga/
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mdqp: Could you elaborate on this point a bit? I am not sure how GOG's principles would be affected by the merger.
I'm of the opinion that he more that the video game publishing industry coalesces into an de facto oligopoly the more likely that GOG will feel the need to engage in more DRM-like practices to remain competitive in the online digital download retailer market.
Posted December 26, 2022
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mechmouse: The arrival of Epic has, as feared, took a chunk out of GoG. Many devs/pubs are using Epic as their "alternative" to Steam.
I am wondering though, why would any dev need Epic as an alternative to Steam? It most probably can't be that they get much more sales through Epic (so it would make sense for them to release some of their games on Epic, instead of Steam), so does Epic have some features or tools that Steam doesn't offer?

I am pretty sure most devs/pubs would most likely want to release their games on their own store so that they would get all the money from the sales, but since that is not feasible for most publishers, the second best thing would be that there is one big PC digital store through which they can sell all their games. At the moment Steam is pretty much that.

Whether they'd release the game on some other store as well, in addition to Steam, that makes sense only if they believe they get enough extra sales (or other perks) from that other store, so that it makes sense to use resources to publish the game on that other store as well.

Those extra sales come only through customers who, for some reason, don't want to buy (at least some of their) games through Steam. For GOG that is pretty obvious: DRM-free installers. At least I can't think of any other reason to buy some game, which is released both on Steam and GOG, from GOG instead of Steam, if it wasn't DRM-free on GOG. For instance, I bought Skyrim from GOG (not Steam) for exactly that reason. If the GOG version had DRM and required the Galaxy client in order to play it, at least I can't think of any reason why I wouldn't have rather bought it from Steam instead.

I've yet to figure out, why someone would buy a game from Epic Games Store, instead of Steam, if the game is available on both services. People go to EGS to get free games (that EGS still offers regularly), and Fortnite, as Fortnite is not available on Steam. Well, those times where EGS had a time-restricted exclusivity to some new games, maybe some fell for those as well, not sure...
Post edited December 26, 2022 by timppu
Posted December 26, 2022
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ValamirCleaver: I'm of the opinion that he more that the video game publishing industry coalesces into an de facto oligopoly the more likely that GOG will feel the need to engage in more DRM-like practices to remain competitive in the online digital download retailer market.
Sadly, people like convenience, rather than having choice and control over their own things, which is why Steam is so incredibly popular.
Posted December 26, 2022
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mechmouse: There are lots of services that consumers expect, ones GOG must add in order to remain competitive, most can remain separate from the software (such as a mobile app for chat and 2FA) but there are some which will be integral to the Software and which will push the boundary of DRM Free too far for some.
I view the "GOG must copy everything Steam does 100% to remain competitive" expectation is completely unreasonable in itself given that Epic, Amazon, Microsoft Store, etc, don't have a mod workshop (and with far more money to throw at one). People 'expected' Galaxy Achievement parity with Steam 'to remain competitive' yet as a reality check, someone posted the huge list of missing Achievements earlier which comprises almost half the games (that are new enough to have achievements) on the store - that's what developers "think" in reality of people's 'expectations' they should reinvent the wheel for every feature for every store. GOG need to focus on their strengths / unique differences, not chase the Poor Man's Steam Clone dream so much they run out of money and end up weak at everything.
Post edited December 26, 2022 by BrianSim
Posted December 26, 2022
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timppu: I am wondering though, why would any dev need Epic as an alternative to Steam?
First of all Tracking. Most Epic games run without the launcher, so no tracking. Tracking can not be deactivated with Steam. GOGs tracking through Galaxy can be deactivated.
I am not talking about showing the infos to other players, I am talking about collecting these infos in the first place.

Yes, most devs would prefer one single platform, that's why gaming consoles get so much more attention than the PC.
If there was just one platform, we would not even have these discussions, we would accept what we get, but maybe in return the sales of physical discs would be higher. On consoles they are still signifiant for people who don't want everything being bound to their one and only account.

I am a oldtimer, I like to choose. And I don't like monopols.
If at all, then Microsoft should have the one and only store, after all it's their operating system.
Posted December 26, 2022
I got the email and I deleted it immediately in disgust.

I have reset my preferences to ensure no repeat.

At this point I consider gog to be fighting for its very own survival and I see no reason to prolong it.
Posted December 27, 2022
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lazydog: I got the email and I deleted it immediately in disgust.

I have reset my preferences to ensure no repeat.

At this point I consider gog to be fighting for its very own survival and I see no reason to prolong it.
Yes, because companies asking their customers what they want is a bad thing.

I got the email, and I'll say, if GOG offered a service like Humble where you'd get a few games every month and a discount, I'd be on board. Anything else would likely involve DRM and I'm not cool with that.
Posted December 27, 2022
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paladin181: I got the email, and I'll say, if GOG offered a service like Humble where you'd get a few games every month and a discount, I'd be on board. Anything else would likely involve DRM and I'm not cool with that.
I wouldn't be, because I have plenty of games already, I buy A LOT here. So either I would get doubles or I would get stuff I don't want.
Subscriptions are just not my thing.


@lazydog if you are against that stuff you don't like, you should participate in the survey and express your opinion.
If only people participate who want DRM, collectibles, NFTs and subscriptions, then they will get their will.

There are even suggestion boxes where you can rant.
Posted December 27, 2022
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ChristophWr: Every game can be played without the launcher.
Please, explain to me how to download, install and run Gwent without ever using Galaxy.
Posted December 27, 2022
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vv221: Please, explain to me how to download, install and run Gwent without ever using Galaxy.
[sarcasm]... but, but the public fluff pieces say so, so it must be true!... GOG Brings a Bright DRM-Free Future to Gaming [/sarcasm]
Posted December 27, 2022
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AB2012: It's 100% guaranteed that if GOG tried to introduce "GOG Workshop" they'll gate it behind Galaxy. .
XD Yeah. Frankly I find it laughable that anyone who doesn't like Galaxy would advocate for a Workshop given the whole design of the workshop system relies upon mod management necessitating a program to do it. Ergo: GOG would build it directly into Galaxy.

If GOG were interested in maintaining separate programs for different functionality on the site they wouldn't have axed the downloader.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by Braggadar
Posted December 27, 2022
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vv221: Please, explain to me how to download, install and run Gwent without ever using Galaxy.
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ValamirCleaver: [sarcasm]... but, but the public fluff pieces say so, so it must be true!... GOG Brings a Bright DRM-Free Future to Gaming [/sarcasm]
I mean, previous comment was a valid criticism, but it's only one example. I believe every singleplayer game has offline insstallers, including Rogue Mage.

Just saying, GoG isn't all that great, what with them removing old patches, but you're just being angry at nothing.
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