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BreOl72: Sorry, but nobody cares what maybe 200 to 300 people in this forum want.
Well, we care, so we're going to CHOOSE to keep voicing our opinion.

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Breja: There's little to no point to GOG like that, such stores already exist, and we CHOSE not to use them.
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BreOl72: So, you agree, that there's no real incentive for GOG to become "just one of these other stores"?
Good. That's the first step away from panicking over the fate of, as of yet, unlaid eggs.
Yeah, because no company has ever made a wrong decision, or fruitlessly tried to belatedly emulate more succesfull competitors.

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BreOl72: And even if GOG turns into one of these stores, all you will have to do, is to choose again. Where's the problem?
That we would no longer have the CHOICE of using the store we want because it would effectively cease to exist, or a way to buy the games we want DRM-free because they would no longer be released in such way, like I already explained.

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BreOl72: And if you think different then you can't have experienced many losses in your life.
Trust me: your life will go on.
Uhm... yes? So? No one here is suggesting they will kill themselves if GOG becomes a DRMed store. What are you even talking about? Sure, I could stop playing games at all. So what? How does that help? We don't want to give up our hobby. I said it many times already in many threads on this subject that if there is no way to keep buying DRM-free games, then I will simply not buy new games anymore... but that's now what I want.
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Knightspace: I will deny it, because it ISN'T a drm. You activate it ONCE and you can play offline without a problem with the dumb stuff unlocked. To me it looks like you are just blindly biased.
Getting kicked in the nuts once is better than getting kicked in the nuts multiple times. Does that mean that getting kicked once is the same as not getting kicked at all?
Post edited December 27, 2022 by Breja
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BreOl72: Sorry, but nobody cares what maybe 200 to 300 people in this forum want.
The several ten thousands that simply buy their games and install and play them over Galaxy, without caring over whether Galaxy is being liked by us here in the forum, and the ten thousands who don't care if a game comes (in parts) with DRM, because that's what they are used to anyway, despite us here being against DRM...those ten thousands are the customers that will decide the future of GOG. Not us.
Everyone can say what they want though, especially when their concerns are mostly valid.
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Knightspace: I will deny it, because it ISN'T a drm. You activate it ONCE
"you activate it once"
Oh wow, so it is actually DRM? The core definitions of modern DRM include requiring Internet connections to activate. This makes it functionally identical to the SecuRom of a decade ago. "You only need to activate once!" One activation is one activation too many. DRM-free titles have zero activations ever.

(Once per installation. Or, in Witcher's case, once per save game even.)

It's DRM. And you continuing to try to warp definitions at this point can only be interpreted as malicious gaslighting. Once again look at my offline installers in a cabin rubric up there to learn more about what actually is DRM.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by mqstout
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Knightspace: I will deny it, because it ISN'T a drm. You activate it ONCE and you can play offline without a problem with the dumb stuff unlocked. To me it looks like you are just blindly biased.
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Breja: Getting kicked in the nuts once is better than getting kicked in the nuts multiple times. Does that mean that getting kicked once is the same as not getting kicked at all?
The argument was that you need to be online to access this stuff. You don't, you just need to play through Galaxy, which is a pain in the ass, yes, but it's not Denuvo or some other inane garbage.
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Knightspace: I will deny it, because it ISN'T a drm. You activate it ONCE
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mqstout: "you activate it once"
Oh wow, so it is actually DRM? The core definitions of modern DRM include requiring Internet connections to activate. This makes it functionally identical to the SecuRom of a decade ago. "You only need to activate once!" One activation is one activation too many. DRM-free titles have zero activations ever.

(Once per installation. Or, in Witcher's case, once per save game even.)

It's DRM. And you continuing to try to warp definitions at this point can only be interpreted as malicious gaslighting. Once again look at my offline installers in a cabin rubric up there to learn more about what actually is DRM.
You want that useless stuff? Then bend to GoG, download their shitty launcher, go offline and play the game. That's it.

You are clearly not even interested in the discussion, do you? Sorry, i'm not going to affirm someone who's attitude towards me is "ur wrong go and read" instead of presenting an argument.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by Knightspace
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Breja: Getting kicked in the nuts once is better than getting kicked in the nuts multiple times. Does that mean that getting kicked once is the same as not getting kicked at all?
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Knightspace: The argument was that you need to be online to access this stuff. You don't, you just need to play through Galaxy
And so, Breja's head made the acquaintance of his desk. Truly, they have become very close and had many adventures together from that day forth.
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Knightspace: The argument was that you need to be online to access this stuff. You don't, you just need to play through Galaxy
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Breja: And so, Breja's head made the acquaintance of his desk. Truly, they have become very close and had many adventures together from that day forth.
Ah yes, dismiss what i wrote. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ONLINE TO PLAY with Galaxy and that free stuff is still available to you. But sure, sure, do go on, devolve this discussion further.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by Knightspace
Thought I'd post an archived copy of GOG's own 'FCK DRM' campaign page for certain people here to read and consider. GOG took it down after they started allowing & introducing DRM on GOG and people started to point out their hypocrisy.

https://archive.vn/HrMzC
https://web.archive.org/web/20210126175016/https://fckdrm.com/
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Knightspace: I will deny it, because it ISN'T a drm. You activate it ONCE and you can play offline without a problem with the dumb stuff unlocked. To me it looks like you are just blindly biased.
You might want to do some research before arguing any further as GOG themselves openly contradict you:-

"Q. Do I have to be connected to the internet in order to participate in MY REWARDS?

A. An internet connection is required to register with The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt MY REWARDS. Once claimed, rewards will be yours to keep regardless of whether you’re playing online or offline. Please note that if you begin a new game, you will need to log in again to obtain the rewards in that save file."

If you have to login online every single time you reinstall / restart the game in future, then it's obviously DRM'd content that's activated online like an online-only server-based "pay per play" micro-transaction (in fact it's exactly identical to how the Steam version of Deus Ex Mankind Divided DLC worked and also the same reason that content was broken in the first GOG offline installer version until the 'mistake' was patched). Just sayin' this stuff IS actually different to "you only need to go online once then you can use it offline forever (inc reinstalls)" content, and is very obviously "testing the waters for boiling frogs" as to how micro-transactions (which is what this really is) on GOG will be received.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by BrianSim
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Knightspace: Ah yes, dismiss what i wrote. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ONLINE TO PLAY with Galaxy and that free stuff is still available to you. But sure, sure, do go on, devolve this discussion further.
It's usually the denialists who are the discussion-devolvers and you're a pretty serious case of it.

So please: Take a computer, disconnect it from the Internet, and install CP2077 or Witcher3-"NextGen" on it from USB-flash (while still disconnected). Let me know how accessing the DRMed content goes while remaining entirely and totally offline the entire time, never one connecting to the Internet.

So you've now moved your DRM definition presumably that only always-online is the only DRM, and nothing shy of always-online is not DRM. What's next, trying to say Steam's activations via Steamworks/CEG aren't DRM because you can ask the client to go offline once you've activated?
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BrianSim: "Q. Do I have to be connected to the internet in order to participate in MY REWARDS?

A. An internet connection is required to register with The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt MY REWARDS. Once claimed, rewards will be yours to keep regardless of whether you’re playing online or offline. Please note that if you begin a new game, you will need to log in again to obtain the rewards in that save file."
Backup, copy, use anywhere - X
Access offline - X
Keep your consumer rights - X
Support digital preservation - X
Lose all access, just like that - /
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Knightspace: I will deny it, because it ISN'T a drm. You activate it ONCE and you can play offline without a problem with the dumb stuff unlocked. To me it looks like you are just blindly biased.
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BrianSim: You might want to do some research before arguing any further as GOG themselves openly contradict you:-

"Q. Do I have to be connected to the internet in order to participate in MY REWARDS?

A. An internet connection is required to register with The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt MY REWARDS. Once claimed, rewards will be yours to keep regardless of whether you’re playing online or offline. Please note that if you begin a new game, you will need to log in again to obtain the rewards in that save file."

If you have to login every single time you reinstall / restart the game, then it's obviously DRM'd content that's activated online like a "pay per play" micro-transaction (in fact it's exactly identical to how the Steam version of Deus Ex Mankind Divided DLC worked and also the same reason that content was unavailable here in the first GOG offline installer version until the 'mistake' was patched). Just sayin' this stuff IS actually different to "you only need to go online once then you can use it offline forever" content, and is very obviously "testing the waters for boiling frogs" as to how micro-transactions (which is what this is) on GOG will be received.
Yes, and you can play on that save file to all your heart's content offline. I agree that it's shitty, but i would hardly call it a drm scheme. It's just a dumb thing to make people use Galaxy.

But yeah, other stuff IS concerning, including this survey. If GoG ditches their drm free policy (which is happening right now, it just depends on how far they will go), then we SHOULD vote with our wallets.

I just don't get why people here got so hanged up over a non issue with some dumb cosmetics, but whatever.
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Knightspace: I just don't get why people here got so hanged up over a non issue with some dumb cosmetics, but whatever.
Because some of us have principles. I'll leave it to, I believe Breja has recently posted about it, to point out how so few people seem to understand that. "dumb cosmetics" is entirely irrelevant to any of this (as I've gone blue trying to tell you).
Post edited December 27, 2022 by mqstout
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Knightspace: Ah yes, dismiss what i wrote. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ONLINE TO PLAY with Galaxy and that free stuff is still available to you. But sure, sure, do go on, devolve this discussion further.
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mqstout: It's usually the denialists who are the discussion-devolvers and you're a pretty serious case of it.

So please: Take a computer, disconnect it from the Internet, and install CP2077 or Witcher3-"NextGen" on it from USB-flash (while still disconnected). Let me know how accessing the DRMed content goes while remaining entirely and totally offline the entire time, never one connecting to the Internet.

So you've now moved your DRM definition presumably that only always-online is the only DRM, and nothing shy of always-online is not DRM. What's next, trying to say Steam's activations via Steamworks/CEG aren't DRM because you can ask the client to go offline once you've activated?
Lmao, ok dude. You can play Cyberpunk offline fully, you don't even have to update it. Even now, with how many patches gog removed that drastically changed the equipment and perk systems, i still have access to the game. You miss ONE shirt and ONE useless weapon.

And no, Steam is garbage because you HAVE to connect to the internet from time to time or the game won't even work for you. You can't access games at all, especially not after they detect an update.

You want to go further down this nonsensical road? Sure, do go on. Or, you can do what everyone here does and vote with your wallet. I don't buy shit that requires Galaxy to play for example. You got so hang up on this idiotic nonsense that you lost the bigger picture, as you accussed me of the same. A dumb shirt isn't an issue, a game that will make you download a launcher for a 3rd party and won't allow you to use INTEGRATED GAME MODES IS an issue. You've got your priorities fucked my friend.
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Knightspace: Yes, and you can play on that save file to all your heart's content offline. I agree that it's shitty, but i would hardly call it a drm scheme.
Then you need to look the definition of the word up as DRM-Free doesn't mean "you can use this offline as long as you never restart the game because then the content disappears and you need to go online each time". You know what else fits that description? SecuROM PA which also "worked offline after being activated online once - until you reinstalled the game at a later date..." So does every DRM'd game on Steam if you run it in "offline mode", so do SLIC / BIOS based Windows OEM activation licenses, etc...
Post edited December 27, 2022 by BrianSim
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Breja: Yeah, because no company has ever made a wrong decision
Sure they did. That's where this comes into play:
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BreOl72: I turned my back on more stores and magazines and websites, than I care to count.
And I will do do again, if GOG ever introduces DRM to the SP games they sell.
See?

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Breja: That we would no longer have the CHOICE of using the store we want because it would effectively cease to exist, or a way to buy the games we want DRM-free because they would no longer be released in such way, like I already explained.
You also would no longer have that choice if GOG closes shop tomorrow.

And to add to the quote above:
I've seen my fair share of shops, that I used and liked to buy at, close their doors forever.
Shrug Nothing you can do about it - it's the way life goes.

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Breja: Sure, I could stop playing games at all.
So what?
How does that help?
We don't want to give up our hobby.
I said it many times already in many threads on this subject that if there is no way to keep buying DRM-free games, then I will simply not buy new games anymore... but that's now what I want.
That's why you should always keep your offline installers secured on a HDD - that way you can still play your GOG games, even after GOG is gone the way of the Dodo, instead of getting overly dramatic before anything has even happened yet.

And I hate to sound like a broken record, but...what you (or I or anybody, really) want, doesn't matter.