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MadalinStroe: Or you could be patient and wait for a bigger discount. What would you expect all the titles to have perfect parity with steam, whenever steam decides to put them on sale. Sales are something that should be hunted for, not something that you are entitled to.

For what's worth, I think I've spent more during this sale, than ever before. And I'm not done yetSo I do agree with you on one thing. GOG Sales are not what they used to be. They seem to be getting better.

I won't list all the games that are cheaper than they have ever been on GOG, I'll just link RWarehall's excelent list. Most are cheaper than they have ever been anywhere, including steam.
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aristotle61: You're making way too many assumptions and attributing them to me, and then responding to those. (Straw Man?)

I am very patient. My comment was based on many sales coming and going. I "hunt" for sales all of the time and I do not feel "entitled to" them.

I cannot even begin to understand how you could think GOG sale prices are better. I don't agree with the Steam comparison either. We will just have to agree to disagree.
What were my assumptions, that they were apparently so many? Planescape Torment Enhanced Edition was released barely a year ago, and just now, it's for the first time 80% off on STEAM. That's why I said you should be patient. This is the only "assumption" I can make out from my post, and from that, my initial inference, which I found plausible considering the time frame, I continued my train of thought. That's why I ended up with the hunting for sale, and not being entitled to sales.
Post edited June 08, 2018 by MadalinStroe
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cmclout: I've been a member of GOG for a little over a year, and their sales seem to be kind of off-the-wall with regard to consistency in sale prices. A game may be on sale for 75% off during one sale and then only 50% off the next time its on sale. For example, I believe I've seen games being sold in this Summer Sale at price points higher than what I paid during normal sales within the past year. I would expect these seasonal mega-sales to have the lowest price points of any sale, but that is not always the case. As another example, a base game (for example, Little Nightmares) may be on sale for 60% off, but the game's DLCs might be only 10% off.

Regarding the game you mentioned, Planescape: Torment: Enhanced Edition, GOG currently has it on sale at 50% ($9.99) and Steam has it on sale at 80% off ($3.99). The GOG version includes 2 HD wallpapers, 16 avatars, 104 artworks, Chris Avellone and Colin McComb book, and the unaltered original version of the game. I don't see any of those listed on the Steam product page. Many older games on GOG have those types of goodies bundled with the game, whereas Steam usually does not include them. Some people would see those goodies as a reason to pay a higher price on GOG. Whether or not you feel that way is, of course, your personal opinion and personal preference.

Regarding Jazz Jackrabbit, while that is an old game, Epic finally decided to release it on GOG last year, so it's still a relatively new release (of an old game). I wasn't happy about the price when they released it, but I still bought it upon release because I remember having fun with it back in the day (1994). I made the decision that, to me, it was worth the asking price, so I purchased it. I'm sure many other people did not think it was worth such a high price and did not purchase it.

One thing we don't know (or, at least, I don't know) is what is involved in determining the price (for example, who sets the price -- GOG, developers, or a mutual agreement). We also don't know who decides when a game goes on sale or who determines what the sale price will be. If the developer has significant input regarding price, which I suspect they do (since that's their income as well as GOG's), then the blame for higher-than-expected sale prices does not lie exclusively with GOG.
You make some good points.

However, regarding "blame", I'm not really blaming GOG. It's just an observation of what has been happening in the past year to year and a half. It's interesting that you mention "goodies". This is a part of what I'm talking about. Even the goodies have changed. They are now asking you to pay for soundtracks. The PTEE soundtrack is now on sale on GOG for more than the game and the soundtrack combined on Steam. I think it's commendable for GOG to include goodies but they are of very limited value in most cases and GOG seems to be moving away from this now anyway. A lot of the stuff they include is available for free.
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Darvond: The sales are not as good because you've probably bought all the games you want already. For example, I only took out 3 games this sale.
That wasn't the reasoning behind saying the sales aren't what they used to be. Me having nearly all of the games I want that are available on GOG right now is not a reflection on GOG's sales. It seems like a LOT of games that I already bought on GOG will never be available for those prices again. I think the biggest thing I miss is that if you were really patient and waited for the best sale of the year, you could really get a fantastic price. You had to work for it, but if you did, it paid off. I didn't think of it as hurting GOG because it was for such a limited time. Now we seem to have shifted to higher prices, but no gimmicks. I know a lot of people hated the gimmicks because it demanded to much of your time.
I don't think GOG necessarily likes to have price disparities with other stores, especially when running a sale. That being said, they should up their game and keep up with (at least) their major competitors on pricing and sale discounts.

Here's an old thread discussing Humble vs Gog: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/humble_bundle_vs_gog/page1
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aristotle61: Just bought Planescape Torment on Steam. I usually buy this type of game on GOG. I'm not really a big fan of Steam, but GOG seems to be going downhill with their sales. I'm not going to pay $10 bucks for a twenty year old game on sale at 50% off when I can get it on sale for $4 on Steam just so I can buy it on GOG.
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AB2012: I agree though the biggest problem with "BeamDog" games at the moment is the completely pointless remakes that exist primarily for the sake of tripling prices of 10-20 year old games by taking free modding community content (widescreen patches, Tutu, etc) and passing them off as if it's 100% recent work of the developer... For a real laugh, see newer games like NWN:EE where the new version is actually more buggy than the originals, still hasn't fixed the few bugs that were in the originals, doesn't add widescreen (because it was already there), introduced new Depth of Field shaders (making everything look uglier), and for which you pay double on top of losing the soundtrack (that came free in the original version priced $2 in every sale...)

It's not just a GOG or even Beamdog problem though. Steam has its fair share of this cr*p too. Bioshock 1-2 "Remaster" and Age of Empires 2 "Enhanced" also leapt up in price on their re-release. The former UE3 based games are massively downvoted due to being abandoned with new newly introduced game-breaking bugs / save-game corruption that weren't in the UE2 originals, whilst half the improvements of the latter can be had for free via the modding community patch. Likewise AoE1:Definitive now locked to W10 / MS Store only is also laughably over-priced considering most of the improvements (W10 compatibility, widescreen, etc) again come from the free modding community created "upatch" and especially compared to the GOTY retail disc where you could buy AoE1 & 2 combined for less than half the price of either game on its own...

Steam vs GOG pricing has its issues, but ultimately if BeamDog had never made PT:EE, I don't doubt you would have still been able to buy the original here for typically $2.00-$2.50 in -80% off sales. But then that's why ripoff remakes exist - aside from doubling base pricing, because PT:EE, NWN:EE, etc, are clearly all "brand new 2016-2018 games", you'll also only get -50% off of $20 sale discount instead of typical -75-80% of $10, effectively quadrupling / quintupling it during sales...
I actually bought the original version of Planescape Torment on GOG a while ago. I am playing both versions now and comparing them. The original version on GOG included the soundtrack. Now you can't even buy that because they want to force you to buy their enhanced version, and the soundtrack is $10! (normal price) How much confidence can they have in their new "enhanced" version if they feel the need to force you into buying it?
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aristotle61: Just bought Planescape Torment on Steam. I usually buy this type of game on GOG. I'm not really a big fan of Steam, but GOG seems to be going downhill with their sales. I'm not going to pay $10 bucks for a twenty year old game on sale at 50% off when I can get it on sale for $4 on Steam just so I can buy it on GOG. This is just one of many examples. I also think $8 for Jazz Jackrabbit isn't much of a sale price. You can buy some fantastic AAA games for less than $5 on sale. I am glad I bought so many games on GOG when they were much cheaper. Anyone else feel this way?
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nightcraw1er.488: Then it problem is that there is always sales going on. Daily sale, weekly, special, quarterly, anniversary. Not a day goes by without one. The games that get released, their prices are skyrocketing so that later on with a "sale" it looks like your getting a good deal. Just look at the mafia set for instance. With the "sale" they are the price they should have been at release. Still the dipshits from steam who have taken over here don't seem to care so nor should anyone else, just don't bother buying anything.
I really don't understand the fanboy mentality being exhibited when discussing Steam or GOG. I'm not pledging allegiance to either one. Each has their advantages. I wasn't really aware of the "dipshits from steam who have taken over here".
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I kind of agree, there aren't that many interesting things, especially the bundles that they have are mostly disappointing this time.

Now having said that, if we compare this sale with Steam, GOG did give us free games, bunch of GOG connect games, and even some extra games if you spend any money buying games.

So while it's not the most memorable sale per se, it has many elements that you never see on Steam.

I also kind of don't understand the problem here... You say: "I am glad I bought so many games on GOG when they were much cheaper." Did you actually clear all of your backlog and need some new games? If not, why is it so important to have something to buy just during this sale? There is some kind of sale or promotion going on every day of the week, and every week of the year. Often you may even find bigger discounts during some random weekend sales than big holiday sales.

So keep playing what you have and wait for a better sale? That's how it goes?
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supplementscene: GOG has changed the max discounts it used to offer on games of 75-90% to 30-50% on the same games. Some will become 75-90% discounted again but much of the time they aren't. For me it's not a real sale unless it hits near the all time low.

A game like Jazz Jackrabbit is effectively a new digital release, so that's understandable. What isn't understandable is games been 2-3 times as much as they were in other sales when I skipped them because I didn't want them yet.

I suppose plenty of customers aren't as price sensitive as me but anyone who is won't shop on GOG anymore.
I think your best illustrates what I was trying to say.
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aristotle61: Even the goodies have changed. They are now asking you to pay for soundtracks.
That's the publisher's decision. I have no doubt GOG would love to load all game purchases with free goodies, but they can't do that without the rights holders' consent.

Stuff like PS:T soundtrack now for sale (instead of bonus material like with the old version) is exactly why people are so furious at Beamdog and accusing them of quick cashgrab. Also the removal of the classic versions - it would have been interesting to see how the "enhanced" versions would fare commercially if the old versions were still for sale at the same time...
Planescape Torment is definitely a ripoff. The standard full price should be at max $9.99 USD, and the sale price $2.99 USD.

And yes, some of the other discounts are barely noticeable and therefore not worthy of a being considered a sale price.
Post edited June 08, 2018 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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aristotle61: You're making way too many assumptions and attributing them to me, and then responding to those. (Straw Man?)

I am very patient. My comment was based on many sales coming and going. I "hunt" for sales all of the time and I do not feel "entitled to" them.

I cannot even begin to understand how you could think GOG sale prices are better. I don't agree with the Steam comparison either. We will just have to agree to disagree.
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MadalinStroe: What were my assumptions, that they were apparently so many? Planescape Torment Enhanced Edition was released barely a year ago, and just now, it's for the first time 80% off on STEAM. That's why I said you should be patient. This is the only "assumption" I can make out from my post, and from that, my initial inference, which I found plausible considering the time frame, I continued my train of thought. That's why I ended up with the hunting for sale, and not being entitled to sales.
Assumption 1: I am not patient enough.

Assumption 2: "you expect all the titles to have perfect parity with steam, whenever steam decides to put them on sale"

Assumption 3: "Sales are something that should be hunted for, not something that you are entitled to."

Assumption 4: Also, my post was not just about Planescape Torment, which is evident from the title.
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PixelBoy: I kind of agree, there aren't that many interesting things, especially the bundles that they have are mostly disappointing this time.

Now having said that, if we compare this sale with Steam, GOG did give us free games, bunch of GOG connect games, and even some extra games if you spend any money buying games.

So while it's not the most memorable sale per se, it has many elements that you never see on Steam.

I also kind of don't understand the problem here... You say: "I am glad I bought so many games on GOG when they were much cheaper." Did you actually clear all of your backlog and need some new games? If not, why is it so important to have something to buy just during this sale? There is some kind of sale or promotion going on every day of the week, and every week of the year. Often you may even find bigger discounts during some random weekend sales than big holiday sales.

So keep playing what you have and wait for a better sale? That's how it goes?
As sad before, it's really just an observation. It's not "so important to have something to buy just during this sale?" There's only a few games that I am interested in playing that are on GOG right now. In fact, I already own hard copies of a couple of games, and just wanted digital copies. Your comment: "Did you actually clear all of your backlog and need some new games? If not, why is it so important to have something to buy just during this sale?" really seems a little silly. Have you seen the numbers for the average completion rate of games? I think it's safe to say most gamers are now collectors more than they are players. It also seems obvious that the gaming industry assumes this. No one could possibly be playing and finishing thousands of games.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Planescape Torment is definitely a ripoff. The standard full price should be at max $9.99 USD, and the sale price $2.99 USD.

And yes, some of the other discounts are barely noticeable and therefore not worthy of a being considered a sale price.
I agree.

Thanks to everyone for responding. As usual, we have a lot of different opinions.
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MadalinStroe: What were my assumptions, that they were apparently so many? Planescape Torment Enhanced Edition was released barely a year ago, and just now, it's for the first time 80% off on STEAM. That's why I said you should be patient. This is the only "assumption" I can make out from my post, and from that, my initial inference, which I found plausible considering the time frame, I continued my train of thought. That's why I ended up with the hunting for sale, and not being entitled to sales.
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aristotle61: Assumption 1: I am not patient enough.

Assumption 2: "you expect all the titles to have perfect parity with steam, whenever steam decides to put them on sale"

Assumption 3: "Sales are something that should be hunted for, not something that you are entitled to."

Assumption 4: Also, my post was not just about Planescape Torment, which is evident from the title.
The title of anything is just that, a title. The content is what matters. Just look at your title, I would call it click-baiting when in fact your complaint is about Planescape Torment, a game that is a little over a year old since release, and Jazz Jackrabbit that has just been released just three months ago. Oh, but that was just "one of many examples". You must be right then, my inference/"assumption" must have been out of line.

Also, I love how you ignored everything I explained after my question. And then made a comment that is accounted for by my explanation. I guess further posts are needless as they would be more about how you are still right. OK then...
Post edited June 08, 2018 by MadalinStroe
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aristotle61: Assumption 1: I am not patient enough.

Assumption 2: "you expect all the titles to have perfect parity with steam, whenever steam decides to put them on sale"

Assumption 3: "Sales are something that should be hunted for, not something that you are entitled to."

Assumption 4: Also, my post was not just about Planescape Torment, which is evident from the title.
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MadalinStroe: The title of anything is just that, a title. The content is what matters. Just look at your title, I would call it click-baiting when in fact your complaint is about Planescape Torment, a game that is a little over a year old since release, and Jazz Jackrabbit that has just been released just three months ago. Oh, but that was just "one of many examples". You must be right then, my inference/"assumption" must have been out of line.

Also, I love how you ignored everything I explained after my question. And then made a comment that is accounted for by my explanation. I guess further posts are needless as they would be more about how you are still right. OK then...
I don't see anyone else calling my post clickbait. I'm not sure you even know what that means. As for ignoring things, you are just describing yourself. I'm sure there are many places on the internet you can go to find the argument you are looking for, but I'm not interested.