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aluinie: I have been trying to stay off this but this thread goes on and on.

I joined this site when it was just starting up for the games but found it had a great community of passionate gamers who where here just for the games. Move forward 10 years and as gog grew the forum has become become more toxic and now it is not about the games anymore but about politics.

With what is going on there is no winners here we all lose gog loses either through websites shunning them and loss of sales as customers suddenly dont want to buy here. We lose as less sales means less publishers will want to sell their games here so drm free games do suffer.Also i read elsewhere other epeople said theyi will boucott gog and pirate the game instead. Great idea that just escalates the damage as publishers get less money from sales and guess what put less games out drm free. So in the end these people only hurt themselfs in the long term.

As for people who say i will only buy from steam . Steam has done a lot of anti consumer items over the years and the ony reason we have things like the refund policy is that valve where backed into a corner due to preasure from countries .
I think gog should not have apolagised but then we dont know all the facts and there could be a lot of reasons we doont know about that caused them to apolagise.

So how do we stop this from happening again we can close the forums, twitter account and they can sell safe games like Barbie fashion show or something like that. That is the only way to not piss off someone but in this day and age no matter what you say or do you will annoy someone which just shows how things have turned for the worse.

All this political bull is destroying our industry, our fun and all this has been done by a few extremists who want to turn the masses o each other and for me it is a sad affair. We should be here for the games not fighing each other over politics.
It goes on and on because this is a bigger deal than most think. The PR department is part of the company, and any bad decisions they make feeds back into the company as a whole over time.

The only way this is going to end is if:

#1 - GOG fires the staff member who made the libelous apology on Twitter which lumped all of GamerGate together as an abusive movement, and the staff member, should it be a different one, who posted on Reddit and ResetERA in an attempt to grovel to them.

ashtonx had a post earlier in this thread showing exactly why groveling to these people was a very bad idea.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_removes_tweet_because_someone_got_offended_over_a_joke/post485

From his post: https://twitter.com/i/moments/851713200537993216

#2 - GOG puts the tweet back up and apologizes for throwing their community under the bus in favor of openly abusive journos and pundits.

#3 - GOG ignores all attempts by journos and pundits in the future to tarnish their name or business because of posts they choose to post and repost, unless it crosses into the sphere of these same people threatening the staff directly by way of doxing, DDOS attacks or etc.

The only real way to prevent the last one is if GOG no longer does advertising business with sites hostile to gamers like VG/247, Gamasutra, Polygon and others which posted the 'Gamers are dead' articles as opposed to places like OneAngryGamer, NicheGamer, The Escapist and etc who are supporting of gamers..
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AgentBJ09: The only way this is going to end is if:

#1 - GOG fires the staff member who made the libelous apology on Twitter which lumped all of GamerGate together as an abusive movement, and the staff member, should it be a different one, who posted on Reddit and ResetERA in an attempt to grovel to them.
No. No firings. Enough of that bullshit.

People need money to survive, and for that, they need a job. Noone should be fired for their personal opinions, however, personal opinions SHOULD & MUST be reined in.

That's something the vast majority of people seems to have forgotten. The workplace is NOT where you express yourself.

Everything's upside down & incompetents have job security for as long as they hold the "right" opinions, while competent people are being fired for wrongthink.

Enough.
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AgentBJ09: The only way this is going to end is if:

#1 - GOG fires the staff member who made the libelous apology on Twitter which lumped all of GamerGate together as an abusive movement, and the staff member, should it be a different one, who posted on Reddit and ResetERA in an attempt to grovel to them.
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Dalthnock: No. No firings. Enough of that bullshit.

People need money to survive, and for that, they need a job. Noone should be fired for their personal opinions, however, personal opinions SHOULD & MUST be reined in.

That's something the vast majority of people seems to have forgotten. The workplace is NOT where you express yourself.

Everything's upside down & incompetents have job security for as long as they hold the "right" opinions, while competent people are being fired for wrongthink.

Enough.
True, firing the guy would be to much. We have enough of that kind of BS in the world.
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Yeshu: True, firing the guy would be to much. We have enough of that kind of BS in the world.
That's what "journalists" do. Ruin people's lives just for fun.

It's the modern day equivalent of asking for blood. It's appalling. What is wrong with people?
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you know what gog needs as a pr guy, the sonic pr guy on twitter
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wpegg: EDIT: fuckit - the important point is that you can. You can fart in the face of someone if you want, and that person can walk away. Equally so you can wank directly in front of someone and that person can have you arrested.

It's all about freedom, not our freedom to do what we want, but your freedom to restrict what we want, and to demand what we want. Others need to understand that what we want is a variable set of demands which if not met will require justification. We aren't just here to work our asses off, we are here to see our needs met, and it's about time the "Elise" met our demands.

I can go on, and will go on if needed, because this is impotent, it's about gamers needing something they aren't getting, wont get, and are hurt by it.
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richlind33: Actually, it's a bit larger than that...

Once upon a time, long ago and far, far away, the culture war came into being in the American polity, and in a short span of time it became it's defining characteristic. Why did this happen? Because monarchy was dying and being replaced with quasi-representative forms of governance, allowing for outcomes that were considerably more uncertain -- which was troubling to those of privileged status. So they devised a means by which electoral politics would outwardly appear to be "representative", while being extremely consistent with respect to financial and foreign policy.

How did it work? Three ways, primarily.

1) Political campaigns are horse races that are chiefly won by successful fundraising and vote counting.

2) Elite institutions like the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission train those deemed most suitable in the nuances of "public service".

3) The public is bamboozled with demagoguery re issues like abortion, race, gender, communism, drugs, etc.

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Fast forward to today, and we see almost everything becoming increasingly politicized, and by consequence, polarized. So Gamer Gaters = alt. right, and SJW's = "progressive" Democrats. And yes, it's very, very serious to those who buy into this "real life" drama; but so, too, for those of us who don't, as we are all impacted by this massive and hugely successful psyop.
magnifique :)
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Gog lost a partner over a disputable joke- it's more a valid reason to remove a tweet.
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BeatriceElysia: Gog lost a partner over a disputable joke- it's more a valid reason to remove a tweet.
Really, do you know who withdrawn from the store ?

Hmm that does indeed explain things.
Post edited July 23, 2018 by ChrisGamer300
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BeatriceElysia: Gog lost a partner over a disputable joke- it's more a valid reason to remove a tweet.
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ChrisGamer300: Really, do you know who withdrawn from the store ?

Hmm that does indeed explain things.
It was actually a game curator, not publisher or developer.
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ChrisGamer300: Really, do you know who withdrawn from the store ?

Hmm that does indeed explain things.
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BeatriceElysia: It was actually a game curator, not publisher or developer.
Phew oh okay, still that sucks quite a bit since keeping the store relatively clean is a big part of why i'm here but it also shows it's time to make the hiring process stricter to avoid these individuals.

Thanks:)
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ChrisGamer300: Really, do you know who withdrawn from the store ?

Hmm that does indeed explain things.
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BeatriceElysia: It was actually a game curator, not publisher or developer.
GoG needs less game curators, not more :p
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BeatriceElysia: It was actually a game curator, not publisher or developer.
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tremere110: GoG needs less game curators, not more :p
That way lies shovelware.
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tremere110: GoG needs less game curators, not more :p
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PoppyAppletree: That way lies shovelware.
I'm not saying drop curation completely. I don't want Steam over here. Maybe just drop the partners who said Gemcraft and
Heroine's Quest don't belong on the store ;)
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ChrisGamer300: Really, do you know who withdrawn from the store ?

Hmm that does indeed explain things.
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BeatriceElysia: It was actually a game curator, not publisher or developer.
Curator as in "tests games and tells GoG whether they should offer it" or as in "some guy on twitch/youtube who does commercials" ?
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AgentBJ09: The only way this is going to end is if:

#1 - GOG fires the staff member who made the libelous apology on Twitter which lumped all of GamerGate together as an abusive movement, and the staff member, should it be a different one, who posted on Reddit and ResetERA in an attempt to grovel to them.
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Dalthnock: No. No firings. Enough of that bullshit.

People need money to survive, and for that, they need a job. Noone should be fired for their personal opinions, however, personal opinions SHOULD & MUST be reined in.

That's something the vast majority of people seems to have forgotten. The workplace is NOT where you express yourself.

Everything's upside down & incompetents have job security for as long as they hold the "right" opinions, while competent people are being fired for wrongthink.

Enough.
PR folks also need to understand that labeling an entire group as abusive can very easily be turned into a legal issue for the company. It's already a PR issue that's encouraging some to move to Steam, drop support for the company, or outright pirate games again.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/07/gog-com-apologizes-to-sjws-for-tweet-after-being-threatened-by-game-journalists/64315/

http://disq.us/p/1u3wtzf

But, if you want them left around, then this'll keep happening, and no one's to blame other than GOG alone for it.
Post edited July 23, 2018 by AgentBJ09