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Alaric.us: Yea, nothing personal but, I am not actually going to read that.
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richlind33: You should. You'll get the gist very quickly.
Ok, fine, I read it now.

Well... so I learned that somewhere on the Internet there is a forum where the people are fairly contemptible and ban anyone who is not with them politically and doesn't want to participate in their circlejerk. And when I say "learned" I mean "always knew there were tons of them, but now also know one such forum by name." Great success.

In fact, if the inmates ran the asylum, we'd have the same exact thing happening on this forum.

Again, though, we all knew this.
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PoppyAppletree: Looks like my previous message didn't go through.

You are personally irrelevant to me, your existence so meaningless that it barely makes an impression. Were it not for you blowing in my direction I would not have to care in the slightest about your opinion. And, given the choice, I choose not to be aware of it, for there is no reason to burden myself with the opinions of someone so unimportant.

Don't project onto me your script of "SJW" and use me as your straw arming target. I haven't had anything to do with GamerGate and all I did was to say it's shitty to speak I'll of the deaf, so don't spew rhetoric at me.
Show your true colors with your personal attacks. The fact you are one of the people going around these threads trying to cause trouble has probably not gone over the mods head. How many posts have you made in these topics in the last 2 days including the deleted ones. 50? But you haven't had anything to do with Gamergate in these discussions? Get real!
Everyone on this forum knows your political leanings, so quit trying the "I'm not SJW" crap. It's rather obvious.

The only reason you said that was to attack people you don't like. I don't like you either. You show exactly how morally corrupt you are with all the hate you spew at your perceived enemies.

And here's one of your direct quotes in this thread,
"As a whiny SJW, I just want the broflake GG crowd to stop making threads. I don't care about the tweet and never have."

But please tell us again how you have nothing to say about Gamergate...What a lying hypocrite! And ironically, you are the same person who went on to make another thread on the topic to be deleted. Hypocrite x2!
Post edited July 21, 2018 by RWarehall
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AlZero: Honestly, as a serious business GOG should be as neutral as possible in any situation. Letting their PR pick up a side in that "controversy" was the worst course of action. If you can't handle this kind of situation, stop entirely using social media or, at least, hire a decent PR.
Well said. Apparently, Konrad thinks two mistakes are better than one.
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PoppyAppletree: Looks like my previous message didn't go through.

You are personally irrelevant to me, your existence so meaningless that it barely makes an impression. Were it not for you blowing in my direction I would not have to care in the slightest about your opinion. And, given the choice, I choose not to be aware of it, for there is no reason to burden myself with the opinions of someone so unimportant.

Don't project onto me your script of "SJW" and use me as your straw arming target. I haven't had anything to do with GamerGate and all I did was to say it's shitty to speak I'll of the deaf, so don't spew rhetoric at me.
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RWarehall: Show your true colors with your personal attacks. The fact you are one of the people going around these threads trying to cause trouble has probably not gone over the mods head. How many posts have you made in these topics in the last 2 days including the deleted ones. 50? But you haven't had anything to do with Gamergate in these discussions? Get real!
Everyone on this forum knows your political leanings, so quit trying the "I'm not SJW" crap. It's rather obvious.

The only reason you said that was to attack people you don't like. I don't like you either. You show exactly how morally corrupt you are with all the hate you spew at your perceived enemies.
What you attribute to agenda is really the goldfish-like tendency to drift towards active threads like they were flakes on the water.
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richlind33: You should. You'll get the gist very quickly.
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Alaric.us: Ok, fine, I read it now.

Well... so I learned that somewhere on the Internet there is a forum where the people are fairly contemptible and ban anyone who is not with them politically and doesn't want to participate in their circlejerk. And when I say "learned" I mean "always knew there were tons of them, but now also know one such forum by name." Great success.

In fact, if the inmates ran the asylum, we'd have the same exact thing happening on this forum.

Again, though, we all knew this.
Then why did you ask what it was?

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RWarehall: Show your true colors with your personal attacks. The fact you are one of the people going around these threads trying to cause trouble has probably not gone over the mods head. How many posts have you made in these topics in the last 2 days including the deleted ones. 50? But you haven't had anything to do with Gamergate in these discussions? Get real!
Everyone on this forum knows your political leanings, so quit trying the "I'm not SJW" crap. It's rather obvious.

The only reason you said that was to attack people you don't like. I don't like you either. You show exactly how morally corrupt you are with all the hate you spew at your perceived enemies.
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PoppyAppletree: What you attribute to agenda is really the goldfish-like tendency to drift towards active threads like they were flakes on the water.
But you don't spam all the threads you wind up in, so there's obviously more to it than that.

When two fools argue, only an idiot chooses sides.
Post edited July 21, 2018 by richlind33
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richlind33: Then why did you ask what it was?
Because I didn't know. Then I was answered and then I knew. Reading the specific ban reasons didn't add much to my knowledge. Still, I appreciate someone taking the time to post that picture.
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richlind33: When two fools argue, only an idiot chooses sides.
More name calling Richlind? How wonderful of you. I guess the moderator warning you about that doesn't change your behavior at all...
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richlind33: When two fools argue, only an idiot chooses sides.
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RWarehall: More name calling Richlind? How wonderful of you. I guess the moderator warning you about that doesn't change your behavior at all...
Look at yourself, bro, because you're the only person you're ever going to change. lol

"Fools" referred to GG's and SJW's in general, and I actually liked some of what you posted earlier, before you got hotheaded -- which kind of undermines the points you're trying to get across.
Post edited July 21, 2018 by richlind33
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Linko90: Just keep it civil and sensible, as soon as people take it over the line and turn it into a slander pit, it'll be locked, deleted and users who broke the rules will be dealt with.
It might help if you dealt with the people who are *trying* to get the thead locked. Know what I mean? o.O
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Lucian_Galca: No one was arrested because the authorities don't take online harassment seriously at all from what i've seen.

Yes she lied, but she was desperate, and it was no reason to "out" and harass her over it. You honestly don't think it's possible some of those responsible joined GG later on? That these weren't the early beginnings of GG?

Allistair was fired and blacklisted because he "outed" her and nearly caused her death with his actions. You don't do that with anyone LGBT because of what awful things they might face from being out, but he didn't care, as long as he got his scoop. I think he even later joined the GG crowd fully last I heard. The poor woman recently burned herself to death in fact, not that you care i'm sure:

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2018/06/woman_who_set_self_on_fire_in.html

The lack of empathy shown by him and yourself in your post is exactly why I and many others want nothing to do with GG.
No m8, fraud is fraud, period. The person in question was a trainwreck waiting to happen, and the people using it for political gain are contemptible in the extreme.
Post edited July 21, 2018 by richlind33
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The sex of Chloe has nothing to do with this. She lied to ask for money.
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dhundahl: pGG vs aGG isn't really about how women are portrayed in video games. It started out being about ethics in gaming journalism, then it became angry gamers versus the media accusing them of being scum, and now it's a minefield of a fight between an extremely aggressive segment of feminists on one side and equally aggressive "culture warriors" on the other.

And at this point it really doesn't have anything to do with "gamers" anymore, if it ever did.
Looking back at it, this is pretty much the best way to summarize what happened back then. Started off as being an ethics teardown, but quickly became just another front between the far left and far right in the never-ending culture wars.

So what do we have? Two groups of people talking past one another, led by a few agent provocateurs with horrible agendas, using a popular entertainment media as an excuse to start it up again, threatening to destroy a once-diverse community, with the limitless kindling provided by social media and clickbait blog sites serving to make sure we never recover.

Ironically, it has allowed the REAL decimation of gaming, the proliferation of loot boxes and "live services," goes relatively under the radar, save for especially egregious cases of pay-to-win a la Battlefront II EA.

When presented with two extremes pressuring you to choose sides, the only correct answer is "no." Until people learn to back away from the base appeals to emotion that allow culture wars to distract us from real issues, both in and out of gaming, it's just a slow march to the grave.
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PoppyAppletree: Incidentally, I understand why Chloe Sagal did the things she did, but I don't agree with her defrauding people. My comment was simply a statement that I don't think we should speak ill of the dead, and I stand by that.
Fair enough. My initial reaction to it was that she was 100% in the wrong too. But upon thinking on it more, two things changed my mind, our awful and expensive healthcare in the US, and the hate people get thrown their way for being out. Sometimes to the point they get killed. Even our current government right now has renewed hate for LGBT people with their recent policies. It's no wonder she chose the route she did. Had those two things not been a factor, I believe she wouldn't have been deceptive about it and engaged in fraud.

The main thing I was against was the harassment she went through. There wasn't any need for that, people can get their point across, pull funding, etc. without being abusive.

But it no longer matters for her now anyways, she's gone.
Post edited July 21, 2018 by Lucian_Galca
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I will add my voice and say I am disappointed with GOG. A simple neutral response would be sufficient and proper.

Besides that, keep up the great work GOG!
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RawSteelUT: ]
Looking back at it, this is pretty much the best way to summarize what happened back then. Started off as being an ethics teardown, but quickly became just another front between the far left and far right in the never-ending culture wars.
It did not became about those topics it was made to be about those topics by exactly the gaming outlets/journalists which were accused of collusion and unethical journalism.

Every accusation/insult a journalist/dev faced was suddenly not about something he/she did or fucked up, but about the political view or the gender or the sexual orientation - he is a lefty and likes diversity that is because he gets attacked, they do not like women in gaming etc. They changed it and the whole media jumped on that train and should tell everybody something.

Although, to be fair, the ammunition for this came from some tweets posted with the hashtag
Post edited July 21, 2018 by Arundir