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Shadowstalker16: I'd imagine most of the people against rioting just don't want their property destroyed.
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Crevurre: That's not it.
yeah we know you want to destroy others property
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Strijkbout: That's the whole idea. If it were about protesters/rioters on Tiananmen Square 'many gamers' would have gog remove this game quicker than you can say Winnie the Pooh.
Probably already happened
Post edited May 03, 2021 by Orkhepaj
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Crosmando: I don't think anyone would speak in favor of the French Terror, but I think you're rather naive in thinking that political violence is always evil. The French Revolution, although it went off the rails, essentially was the last nail in the coffin of feudalism and moved Europe and the world toward republican and democratic forms of government.

The reality of human history is that no ruling elite ever gives up power peacefully.

Also, the current world system is hardly "democratic" because those with the most capital (wealth) can influence politics far more than the common people can.
There's always a sediment of violent potential especially among youths which is easily channelled into political agendas. But most people simply want to live in peace and are rather docile, so for violence, actual uprising and riots becoming widely spread, it requires a deep feeling of destitution (like a famine), frustration (powerlessness) and/or injustice (BLM and the likes) that overpowers the natural drive of self-preservation (rioting is dangerous...). Once set loose, excess behavior (rape, pillage, lynchings) often is the result, but the real terror of often directed from the background by people with much cooler heads - seizing the opportunity to get rid of the competition and claim power for themselves. That's the time of show trials, where the former rulers are made scapegoat for the failings of the previous system and sacrificed on the executioners' blocks in the name of change. There is a religious component to it, and the ritualised bloodshed and show helps to establish the new order.

The best revolutions have achieved is to have the new rulers make concessions - to prevent the next uprising following right in it's own footstep. That's basically the origin of the welfare state - it's not in place because the "elite" are so kind of heart, it's there to prevent destitution from becoming so pressing that people broadly feel the need to rise up against the ruling classes.

That's a really broad and complex topic, but the economic decision between "increase military/police presence" and "lower taxes and/or invest into panem et circenses" to prevent uprisings and revolutions that many 4X games boil down to is quite down to the matter.
Oh wow, even the game's giveaway thread has been locked. That has to be a first :). Perhaps this one's next, though I think people have been peacefully protesting and discussing here... not rioting. With the usual few exceptions, I guess.
Post edited May 03, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
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WinterSnowfall: Oh wow, even the game's giveaway thread has been locked. That has to be a first :). Perhaps this one's next, though I think people have been peacefully protesting and discussing here... not rioting. With the usual few exceptions, I guess.
That was to be expected, although they were kinda slow. I think it's the first time I see this happening with one of their threads. What did they expect in the first place anyway?
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Friendly reminder not to dive too deep into real life politics and stick to the game discussion. :) Naturally, you can discuss this and agree to disagree with each other, but please keep it civil and keep the CoC in mind.
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patrikc: That was to be expected, although they were kinda slow.
It's pretty much expected GOGBears are asleep over the weekend. So if anyone wants to riot tonight, make sure tonight is on either a Friday, a Saturday or a Sunday :P.

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patrikc: What did they expect in the first place anyway?
Adherence to their code of conduct, I guess, as naive as that sounds on a forum in this day and age :).
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Enebias: If you need me I'm there calling the asylum.
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Lifthrasil: Why? Are they supposed to make a movie about this?
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Lord_Kane: Tonight we dine in HELL.
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Lifthrasil:
Aahahaha thats good.
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SmollestLight: Friendly reminder not to dive too deep into real life politics and stick to the game discussion. :) Naturally, you can discuss this and agree to disagree with each other, but please keep it civil and keep the CoC in mind.
Curious idea to host such a giveaway, especially considering everything that happened as of late. I'm not even going into specifics about the theme, suffice to say I see it as a poor choice.
Also, how would you define not diving too deep? The way I see it that is somewhat vague.
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morolf: Just watched a video of this game, its entire purpose is political propaganda. The game is calling for political violence and depicting the murder of police officers by setting them on fire with Molotov cocktails and the like. Its entire argument is that democratic politics is a sham and only violent action can be successful.
What do you think of games like Postal, Grand Theft Auto and Hitman?


If people carried out things they do in computer games the world would be a very scary place. Fortunately games are escapism for the most part
Hell ain't a bad place to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNfpkK5Uzqg
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morolf: Just watched a video of this game, its entire purpose is political propaganda. The game is calling for political violence and depicting the murder of police officers by setting them on fire with Molotov cocktails and the like. Its entire argument is that democratic politics is a sham and only violent action can be successful.
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supplementscene: What do you think of games like Postal, Grand Theft Auto and Hitman?

If people carried out things they do in computer games the world would be a very scary place. Fortunately games are escapism for the most part
The difference is, those, like most games, don't have developers who actually share the ideology of the characters in the game and are just making something crazy or controversial for shock and entertainment value, Tonight We Riot's devs on the other hand very much do.

That said, as a free speech absolutist, I can't support the removal of a game for sale no matter how gross I may find it, but I will look at it, the dev, GOG and anyone defending the messaging with nothing less than derision.
Sure, the game reflects left-wing violence, from the game's own webste: "Players navigate the game’s dystopian world as a movement of people who’ve come together to topple capitalism and its evil ruling class.." (https://tonightweriot.com/about) [bold-face my own addition]

However, cancelling things one disapproves of or is offended by is exactly what the extreme left has been doing with its absurd "woke" movement, and I don't support that ideology.
Post edited May 03, 2021 by blueGretsch
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They should be free to make the game, free to sell it, gog free to choose whether or not they want to have in on their platform, and you free to let gog know that you don't approve of them supporting this company.

Googling Means, the publishing company, reveals to me that is not a company that I want to support, which I'm free to do (or rather not do). I don't have any strong feelings about gog supporting the company. I'd prefer they didn't, but I'd far less want them to be strong-armed one way or the other.
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supplementscene: If people carried out things they do in computer games the world would be a very scary place. Fortunately games are escapism for the most part
I'm sure most of us have been solving problems in video games with violence and throwing rulers in to lava since Super Mario Bros. and somehow we haven't turned out violent insurrectionists. Go figure.
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That propaganda piece is the antifa leftist terrorism simulator. Can't wait for the sequel Mass Deaths And Labour Camps. The name fit for the sequel to this garbage "Let's Starve Together" already exists, but is not related to this propaganda piece.
Post edited May 03, 2021 by Wishmaster777