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Posted August 18, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: Is it possible... that... opinions are... subjective!?!?
Yep, a lot of stuff said here is subjective. LOL

From the notion that using the browser gives no issue (depends on your web connection, closest GOG server, etc), to using Galaxy and saying it isn't resource hungry, and then being savvy enough to use gogcli.exe and gogrepo.py.

The old GOG Downloader was great, and I had few issues with it. It wasn't perfect and it seems I had better luck with using it than some folk.

I personally use gogcli.exe and did use gogrepo.py before that. I built a Windows GUI for both of them to make it more like the old GOG Downloader, though my GUIs had many more features.

Some think Galaxy is the bees knees, good luck to them. I have tried it, and it's not for me. I don't like all its features and it is hungry on resources on my system, so to me it is bloatware ... basically a browser masquerading as a program. Like many, I just wanted a downloader that focused on downloading. If other folk want more than that, fine, but I would prefer that GOG provided a Lite version of Galaxy, without the bloat ... and I am not alone in wanting that.

It is also very subjective if you are happy to download what can often be many files for a game, using your browser. I guess if you only do it for a game once in a while, no real biggie. But I often buy a few games in a sale, and it can become a real hassle, unless you have some way of queuing the downloads up. Free Download Manager 5 was great for doing that, but obviously GOG weren't happy that folk would use that instead of Galaxy, so they added a timeout for download links when not active.

Galaxy is supposed to be optional, and I'd have no problem if it truly was that. But it seems to me GOG go out of their way to discourage using anything else. They want you to use Galaxy to download and install your games or use it to download the Offline Installers. The GOG SDK is no longer as reliable as it used to be, due to relatively recent changes by GOG, so even gogcli.exe and gogrepo.py struggle to get the correct data at times, and have to engage in some trickery.
Posted August 18, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: Is it possible... that... opinions are... subjective!?!?
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Timboli: Yep, a lot of stuff said here is subjective. LOL

From the notion that using the browser gives no issue (depends on your web connection, closest GOG server, etc), to using Galaxy and saying it isn't resource hungry, and then being savvy enough to use gogcli.exe and gogrepo.py.

The old GOG Downloader was great, and I had few issues with it. It wasn't perfect and it seems I had better luck with using it than some folk.

I personally use gogcli.exe and did use gogrepo.py before that. I built a Windows GUI for both of them to make it more like the old GOG Downloader, though my GUIs had many more features.

Some think Galaxy is the bees knees, good luck to them. I have tried it, and it's not for me. I don't like all its features and it is hungry on resources on my system, so to me it is bloatware ... basically a browser masquerading as a program. Like many, I just wanted a downloader that focused on downloading. If other folk want more than that, fine, but I would prefer that GOG provided a Lite version of Galaxy, without the bloat ... and I am not alone in wanting that.

It is also very subjective if you are happy to download what can often be many files for a game, using your browser. I guess if you only do it for a game once in a while, no real biggie. But I often buy a few games in a sale, and it can become a real hassle, unless you have some way of queuing the downloads up. Free Download Manager 5 was great for doing that, but obviously GOG weren't happy that folk would use that instead of Galaxy, so they added a timeout for download links when not active.

Galaxy is supposed to be optional, and I'd have no problem if it truly was that. But it seems to me GOG go out of their way to discourage using anything else. They want you to use Galaxy to download and install your games or use it to download the Offline Installers. The GOG SDK is no longer as reliable as it used to be, due to relatively recent changes by GOG, so even gogcli.exe and gogrepo.py struggle to get the correct data at times, and have to engage in some trickery.
I've not so much been trying to persuade the OP that they're wrong as I have been shooting down their reasoning for why their opinion is the one right one (e.g. "you must not have used the downloader"). I agree that a "Galaxy lite" built on the same codebase but with unused stuff stripped out would be great. Personally, I use gogrepo for mass downloading/archiving and Galaxy for day to day one off downloading.
But the OP doesn't seem interested in solutions, just in being angry. They've already made up their mind that the situation is unsolvable.
Posted August 18, 2022
Seems more like a rant than OP actually asking for help.
There have been several useful posts of users sharing their experiences or being helpful which OP either completely ignores or they respond in a hostile manner.
Posted August 18, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: But the OP doesn't seem interested in solutions, just in being angry. They've already made up their mind that the situation is unsolvable.
It does seem that way.

What they should take away from replies here, is that it is possible to adapt with a bit of effort and help.

Many of us miss the old GOG Downloader, as several threads at the forum and at least one wishlist testify, but it is pretty clear GOG are not going to go back to it, so we've had to adapt.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Otherwise there is absolutely no point to a thread such as this one, other than letting off some steam (sic). GOG will always do stuff based on the majority, unless a minority is significantly large enough and act in concert.

The odd person here and there doing a threat complaint thread like this and not taking on board the advice of others, is like pissing into the wind.
Posted August 18, 2022
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FiatLux: You are a TROLL nothing else , Galaxy and it's download function for off-line installers in no real way compares to using a internet browser , with multi-tabbing and GOG.com Downloader for downloading of many games in a row.
The only way that you could be seen as to some extend not trolling would be if you stupidly thought this 'discussion' is about downloading a single game...
Anyway , I am not going to be TROLLED by you into having to go through a step by step explanation to try to convince a TROLL that one knows in advance is TROLL and therefore can not be convinced of anything !
Don't antagonize users who are trying to help you. Official warning.
Posted August 19, 2022
You ever wonder why people are so bad at driving, and how most people shouldn't be trusted with 1 kt death machines? This inability to naturally explore options and environments is why. If you lack the spatial orientation to find a toggle button, perhaps there is where your complaint should be filed instead of suggesting that GOG would deny your ability to freely download purchased games.
Posted August 19, 2022
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real.geizterfahr: You can a) download the "offline backup game installers" via your browser or b) use Galaxy as "downloader" for your offline installers.
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lazydog: What do you do when the offline backup game installers available via your browser are older/out of date versions than those available by using Galaxy as a downloader?
To be honest, I've never come across that issue on a game I want to play. Most games I play are either older or "complete", so tend to not get regular updates.
Posted August 19, 2022
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lazydog: What do you do when the offline backup game installers available via your browser are older/out of date versions than those available by using Galaxy as a downloader?
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pds41: To be honest, I've never come across that issue on a game I want to play. Most games I play are either older or "complete", so tend to not get regular updates.
Same i play even newer games never came across issue with offline installer. Sometimes the newer updates can break the game. Looking at Kingdom under fire that has issue on steam and GOG.
Post edited August 19, 2022 by Syphon72
Posted August 19, 2022
I download all of my games through my browser. I like Galaxy but have never felt like it was something i absolutely needed.
Posted August 19, 2022
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FiatLux: Thank you for the tip.
The GOG.com Downloader would automatically create a sub directory with game name for all file and as far as I know then none of the above suggested by other do that (DownThemAll FDM , etcetera)
Also using the 'old way' and GOG.com Downloader I think that there were less clicking in general. It's far too time-consuming and annoying to have to use any standard Windows 'Download managers' and only people with no actual idea with respect to the problem would suggest them as a replacement for the GOG.com Downloader !
As for the suggested gogrepo.py then I'm not going to use anything that runs any third party script that I do not understand or do not feel comfortable to put my trust in (I don't give a rats but with respect to if other use tool).
With respect to the gogcli then I don't think that I will be comfortable to use such a 'third party' tool , because at best it is a third party tool with a limited user group which in it's very nature would make it a lot less secure to use than 'standard' tools. Also , and I feel rather strong about this, I should *not* have to use a third party tool on a site like GOG ! (I do not use 'third party' help tools on Steam either despite I would think third-party Steam tools to have many more users than third-party GOG tools) . What other people do is up to them but my account on Steam never got hacked where as many others have had their account hacked !
For gogcli, I know there are at least a handful of users that use it.

Otherwise, while I'm not exactly a brand name, I'm a devops architect operating in a research center for a well known hospital (with a salary to match that).

The Github account (which has my picture and my name btw) I publish gogcli under is that same one I use for work. I have zero incentive to tarnish my professional reputation by adding malware to any software I create.

And btw, if I went to the dark side, it would be a whole lot more lucrative for me to compromise my employer (a research center and hospital) than your personal machine (which may or may not contain anything of value). The amount of trust being placed on my good character by my employer is considerable and unless you happen to have nuclear launch codes, access to the bank account of some fortune 500 companies or other things of similar importance on your personal computer, my compromising your personal machine would be the least of societies' worries if I abused it.
Post edited August 19, 2022 by Magnitus
Posted August 19, 2022
I think that OP is trying to be edgy by claiming that GOG is bad and is getting upset that nobody is joining him in only having good things to say about Steam.

https://imgur.com/R1qdNfL.jpg

He doesn't want to be helped because he would otherwise behave like a normal person and just download his games using the website, Galaxy (either install or backup), gogcli, or gogrepo. He may as well demand that someone at GOG come to his house to personally deliver the games on disc format.


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Magnitus: The Github account (which has my picture and my name btw) I publish gogcli under is that same one I use for work. I have zero incentive to tarnish my professional reputation by adding malware to any software I create.
Your Github also has your name, photo, employer affiliation, and a link to a site where you can be contacted for freelance work. You're not exactly hiding who you are there. Oh, and that parfait(?) looked yummy. I'd feel more comfortable with gogcli than any of the abandonware that I've actually downloaded.
Posted August 20, 2022
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Catventurer: Your Github also has your name, photo, employer affiliation, and a link to a site where you can be contacted for freelance work. You're not exactly hiding who you are there. Oh, and that parfait(?) looked yummy.
The personal website is horribly dated at this point (about 10 years old). I did it myself and it shows (I'm not a ux designer). I'm contemplating learning some web framework for mostly static websites like hugo at which point I'll give it a more up to date do-over when I have the time.

For the sunday picture, you can thank my wife. She's big on taking pictures of food for posterity. It was in a small town where her grand-mother lived in Japan. In terms of the quality of the ice cream itself, the best sunday/parfait (I'm not sure what you'd call it) I've had so far.

Unfortunately, her grand-mother is not longer with us, but I'll do my best to convince her to go there again anyways next time I'm in Japan for the ice cream.

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Catventurer: I'd feel more comfortable with gogcli than any of the abandonware that I've actually downloaded.
Thanks, means a lot :).
Post edited August 20, 2022 by Magnitus
Posted August 20, 2022
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Magnitus:
Since it is ice cream, which I couldn't tell from the picture, we would call it a sundae here in the US. :)
Posted August 20, 2022
The OP still has a valid point, despite many attempts to derail.


Galaxy was marketed as optional and should NEVER be the only solution by definition.

Browser downloads are now more problematic and are not being kept at parity with Galaxy.

Historically ,there are plenty of more technical posters pointing this kind of thing out.

Here is my brief search on lack of parity:-

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_commitments_to_update_parity/post9

this post is very recent:-

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/a_demand_for_gog/post1

I hope to see some more users posting the disparity between the last available download option and Galaxy.
Posted August 20, 2022
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lazydog: The OP still has a valid point, despite many attempts to derail.

Galaxy was marketed as optional and should NEVER be the only solution by definition.

Browser downloads are now more problematic and are not being kept at parity with Galaxy.

Historically ,there are plenty of more technical posters pointing this kind of thing out.

Here is my brief search on lack of parity:-

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_commitments_to_update_parity/post9

this post is very recent:-

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/a_demand_for_gog/post1

I hope to see some more users posting the disparity between the last available download option and Galaxy.
The OP didn't want to use Galaxy as downloader, nor the browser, nor any fan made tool. He wanted to use a tool not availale anymore as the only valid method to download the games in an stupid and childish tools war.

No valid points in the OP, stubborn, unreasonable, bad manners and less brains. The intention was only flaming and trolling. And it was proved.
Post edited August 20, 2022 by Gudadantza
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