ZFR: @bler. I don't think your example of AtE (my "claim") was good. It was an appeal to meta, but not to emotion. AtE would be like "I don't want to vote Lift since he just joined the game" or "I invested so much time into this game!".
For some reason I'm getting a bad gut feeling about adalia. Could be because subconsciously I associate him with scum now that the only 2 games I played him he was one. But his posts, his list in particular, struck me as walls of text without too much substance. Something I did in Secret Hitler when I played scum.
bring flubbucket flowers We could have a hair-splitting argument, but that probably is neither productive nor fun. ;)
As I noted above, my big concern with adalia is what I perceive to be a lack of explanation for his viewpoints. Feels more like agenda than solving. Know I'm pinballing on that slot, but am at would lynch over any of the 4 who currently have votes.
That's very sweet of you. But he'd probably prefer brandy.
Lifthrasil: JS and SPF are about the same. They write a lot but nothing I seriously disagree with and they don't seem to buddy up to anyone particular. So I'll have them as neutral for now. Although I always have the feeling that they are both up to something.
elebutterfly's re-read was more interesting: she attacks trent (and all others) for not finishing off ZFR. But she didn't do so herself and instead tried to re-vive the stalled SPF wagon. Also she accuses trent of being psychic because he warned about the danger of no-lynch. Really? Being aware that no-lynch is a danger when there are competing trains close to the deadline is a sign of scumminess now? That's a bit much. Last but not least she has a grand total of one post today. That is a bit little. One could say lurky. So, I have her leaning scum.
1) Townies should be up to something. It's just not quite the same as having an agenda. Are they up to something (positioning themselves, testing reactions) or do they have specific outcomes in mind and are just figuring out how to effectuate them?
2) I mean, you're blaming HSL for EOD. If you are town!Lift, what makes your conclusion that it was HSL's fault any different than town!ele view to blame Trent? For the record, if I didn't know HSL or Trent, I would probably slightly eyeball Trent over HSL as well, in part b/c it was Trent hopping off ZFR's wagon at L-2(?) about 72 hours prior to deadline took the steam out of that as well. I also tend to view HSL/Damnation's tentativeness as generally more understandable (again, having been there for 4-5 minutes of it) than Trent's talking about "It's all so hopeless!" earlier.
I wasn't pushing him on that only because he did pretty much exactly the same thing in Oakwood.
But I tend to think the whole thing is noise and understandable and both are probably town. And you and ele start to look t/t as well, at least by your standard of townie ;)
adaliabooks: Damnation, Joe, flub and bler are all muddled as neutral for me, would lynch them but wouldn't particularly push for it.
Aside from cristi I'd be willing to vote ele, she gave me bad vibes when I was following day 1 and hasn't really done much to improve that day 2.
I think there's a better than average chance lift is scum and could get behind his lynch too if anyone was interested.
Pshaw, you know I'm towniest. It's ok, you can say it.
But...bad vibes, you say? That does sound pretty serious. Also detailed and clearly explained.
Well, Lift does draw scum more than half the time it seems, almost as often as you or Kryspyn do. And he's always pretty dubious. But he's probably town here anyway. Would you care to ...elaborate at all on any of these reads or point me to where you have made arguments that detail them?
flubbucket: What purpose did it serve to claim at that time??
I see your point, but it's pretty rarely the case that someone claims VT and lives to tell about it. Right?
SirPrimalform: I'm still getting
scummy vibes from ele and Book(s) and would vote for either. Not so sure about ZFR any more. Flub is a mystery, but a distinctly suspicious one and I'm still not sure about this current cristi wagon.
My gut says cristi is townie and adalia's vote strikes me as opportunistic, and since I have him as scum it fits with my town feelings of cristi.
adaliabooks: I'd be willing to vote ele
SirPrimalform: O RLY??
Let's see then.
Vote elebutterfly. More
vibes, I guess.
adaliabooks: I'm game if anyone else is.
Unvote cristigale Vote elebutterfly /facepalm
Come on, SPF at least half-assed his vote explanation. It was a low, low bar.
elebutterfly: I'm... somewhat bemused that you could misread something as clear as voting order quite as badly as that.
Does anyone else find this a strange question?
Also - look at that shift to me! Look at it! What is going on, why did the cristi wagon stall? It's happening again! Argh!
SPF and adalia! You both vote for me based on "vibes".... that doesn't give me much to work with.
1) It's a gift he has.
2) Hard to tell with him. He asks questions. Perhaps he thought it would rattle you if you were working an angle to trap him and got called on it. He's also seemingly a bit defensive, but that's kinda NAI, unfortunately. Hard to say, but I don't find it all that telling.
3) Yeah, that's ...odd. Clearly I (or L-2) is the kiss of death for any wagon. Which would make sense if I were universally scum-read, but...that doesn't seem to be the case. It's like no one wants to actually commit to lynch. Unless I'm missing something (should probably re-read, lack energy to do) but I'm reading these vote swaps as explanations of moving to a new wagon, not for why cristi was fascinating at dawn but is now not.
Or in adalia's case, just not bothering to explain at all, apparently.
There's a posted deadline? I don't see it in the vote count.
I'm of the "avoid fire drill at all costs" camp. It's like taking an entire day's worth of effort to sort things out and then just throwing everything in the air for S&Gs. Plus I don't think i've ever seen a scum lynched that way. At least a few town PRs though. /shrug
I'm not following your math = 7. 5 wagons you could get behind, plus...me and Dam? What does POE mean to you exactly? adalia and sirp are POE but not...suspects?
Huh.
