Vitek: Thanks but damn you! You made me remember how much I love hosting a game and now I have the urge to do it soon.
Not sure I should sign up for it, then. I'll probably roll Mafia Roleblocker, claim Town Cop, and get lynched for it.
Bookwyrm627: If you actually care about Bler's dodge, then you try prodding him
elebutterfly: I don't, at the moment... which is why I didn't prod him. :P
elebutterfly: vote bookwyrm Because:
3)) points out bler dodging a question in #231 but doesn't prod further.
Heh. Neither of us are interested in pushing Bler on the dodge, but that I find it noteworthy enough to at least comment on it is apparently scummy.
Bookwyrm627: In the meantime, I recalled a few labels of her as scummy and not many people labeling her as town. Maybe some more people would emerge
if her wagon became viable. [...]
HypersomniacLive: [emphasis added]
That's exactly my point though. Was here wagon more viable during the time Vitek had a vote on her, hence yours would be the second on it, or after he moved his vote elsewhere and yours was the first one?
trentonlf, bler144, and Vitek made it quite clear that JoeSapphire wasn't on the table quite earlier in the game before Vitek moved his vote. The labelling you mention is also from around the same time (I have to go back and check for specifics).
I had Joe as higher chance of being scum than Christi, and he had a larger wagon than Christi (or anyone else I considered scummy). Before ZFR moved off, I still had some hope that maybe Joe's lynch would be able to happen, but when the wagon dropped to me and Damnation,
who was also talking about leaving, I accepted that the wagon was dead.
Bookwyrm627: If the lie is some other point, then I'll be curious to hear what it was.
cristigale: The lie occurred BEFORE you revealed that you had a list of numbers to pick from. You didn't clue the rest of into the numbers list until later. When you first revealed you picked CSPVG, I asked why. You said:
*shrug* I wasn't exactly drowning in extra information at the time. When I pressed you about it, you said:
It came down to something like "Eenie, meenie, minnie, moe". If you are expecting awesome powers of deduction led me to this choice, then I'm afraid I'm going to disappoint you this time .
You are correct that I didn't mention picking among numbers until later, since I didn't want to tell mafia that I was a cop if they did indeed have copies of town roles.
I
wasn't drowning in extra information when I chose CSPVG. I didn't even know who I was choosing at the time I made the choice! I had four numbers, and his is the number I happened to choose. I used pretty close to an "Eenie, meenie, minnie, moe" method of choosing that number, since I had nothing to give any clue as to which number belonged to whom.
I stand by my statement that I didn't lie. I didn't even lie by omission since I explicitly refused to give details on how my power worked.
bler144: 3. Why did it seem weak? I thought it was pretty sharp, as apparently
so did flub himself. I don't get how it's weak if it's correct according to the only person who could say with certainty.
Did Flub say she was correct? If so, why aren't you already on his wagon for admitting to being a Cylon? :P
It being weak: I'm not inclined to lynch someone simply because they chose an avatar that shows a picture of an object that has one name that happens to rhyme with the flavor name of the bad guys, especially when I have other reasons for why such an avatar might be chosen. Do we even know that Flub knew the traffic cone as a pylon? He's like 25897352897 years old, so he might have heard about it at some point in his life, but to me it was a brand new name for the object.
bler144: I tend to believe her that she was pursuing alignment ... but I disagree with your interpretation there.
(I believe) I've made my position clear, including that I'm going to step back and reconsider her. You are free to agree or disagree with me as you like, of course. :)
bler144: @wyrm - see, trent's on it.
Sure, after I've already decided to re-evaluate and left her wagon. :P
bler144: ...Can't we just lynch both SPF and ZFR? Please. I don't want to have to choose here. I'd like both, now more than ever.
HEY BLER! ISN'T IT A SHAME THIS GAME DOESN'T HAVE SOME SORT OF MECHANIC TO HELP DETAIN LIKELY SCUM!
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Damnation: Good, so I understood your statement quite clearly. And I'm not distorting it, really. It's interesting you'd think that.
Perhaps I'm having a clarification issue here, but I'm saying the same thing as you are, just not that lynch would be my go-to resolution. Do note I at no point excluded any other result of such a claim in any of my posts.
I used the modifiers 'serious' and 'likely' for a reason. You dropped them in your reply and questioned why I'd think someone claiming to be scum would get lynched. With modifiers, the answer is self-explanatory: "They claimed to be scum". Without modifiers, the likely consequence depends on the circumstances of the claim.
Damnation: On the town strategy I'm referring to, and the one I've always used; I'm going to be nice here: Town should hunt scum, nothing else. They should not care if they appear scum.
Sure, there are details that go into that - such as not make yourself the prime target for a lunch, etc..
If not for the details line, I'd strongly disagree. Town does need to care about whether they appear town so they have the reputation to help convince other players to lynch scum and so they aren't the one being lynched/vigged/roleblocked/etc.
This looks like another round of us being more-or-less in agreement, except for semantics.
Damnation: And nope, I haven't. Yes, I've commented theorizing on how I perceive your reaction once (Hint: I haven't shared my concrete read). The
post I'm thinking you're referring to as the first time speaks of reactions in general, then thanking you for jumping to his defense. You jumping to his defense is not the only thing there is in a reaction.
My point in the previous post was relatively simple: You have attempted to outright tell me how I should perceive your reaction. Maybe I agree with you and do think you simply got very confused and felt you had to have some answers as to why, maybe I don't. I'm choosing to keep my cards to myself here.
You commented on my reaction in 286, 288, and 292, just off hand.
Semantics: I told you what my reaction was, not how you had to perceive it. :P
Damnation: And you went from crazed questioning to guano insane questioning now? Is that escalation now, or do you consider the two terms the same? I certainly do not.
Word choice can be important. Crazed
townie, guano insane
question. There's a difference; a crazed townie might get better.
Bookwyrm627: 3) If you had a chance to slow (or stop!) scum collaboration, would you use it? There is no chance of hurting town
on this point, but NOT using the brig means we have no chance of hurting scum in this area. And if scum have day chat?
Lifthrasil: I know the issue has been discussed back and forth, but I'm new so here's my two cents: "There is no chance of hurting town" is such a blatantly wrong statement.
BRAKE! Let me stop you right there. You've cut off the end of that phrase (emphasized by me, here), thereby changing the meaning significantly. That same post you are quoting already includes your counter argument. Much like Ele clipping part of a line and asking me why I would rather Brig on Day 1 than lynch, you're cutting out an important part of the line to launch a counter argument. Why is that?
As far as we know, brigging a townie does not hurt town's communication in any fashion. We know that brigging a scum will hurt scum communication by blocking access to scum chat. As far as we know, town simply cannot be hurt by use of the brig when it comes to communication. (Maybe it would hurt mason communication or something, but the mod hasn't commented on that in any fashion, and the public-at-large doesn't know whether there are any masons at all).
Lifthrasil: Or if it is a recruiter that would mean we have a cult-like game and I think (hope) our Mod would have warned us about such shenanigans beforehand.
Mod refused to say.
Lifthrasil: But Bookwyrm hat one little sentence that might be read as slip: "You can't brig us all!" ... who is US in that sentence, Bookwyrm?
Those of us corrupted by yog: Kill! Kill! Kill!
Based on the context, who did you think it referred to? :P
