I know. But I don't have better ones.

Of course I do. But I thought this would be offset by the advantage of town knowing who the power roles are. e.g. Doctor knowing whom to protect.
Since you and others are emphatic about role fishing being scummy then I believe you. But you asked me about what my feelings/suspicious were. And my initial feeling towards littlerabbit's role-fishing was exactly that: "Is it scum-indication? Hmm... I don't know".

For example? Can you give a reason why scum!Damnation would do this to town!me?

???

I wasn't either then. before the game. I wouldn't send Bookwyrms PMs if we were in a game.

Seriously, are my posts that unintelligible?

This is bad! Rolefishing! I too am intrigued by damnation's claim but asking more about it at this stage can't help matters.


Damn I just deleted all the other points I'd addressed so far. Crud.

Maybe it's for the best as there was a slightly awkward me-accusing-zfr-of-guilt-tripping-everybody and then feeling-bad-in-case-zfr-wasn't-guilt-tripping-everybody.
Basically it's to do with him saying (roughly) "I'm sorry to town if I get myself lynched for being newbie and putting you all in a terrible position." (which he has since addressed, saying he thought a missedlunch on day one would be worse than in actuality) and "I'm not able to participate in these in jokes because I've only played two games before" (which is fair enough and we should try to avoid excluding new players.)
But in the context of knowing he subtly changed his writing style in previous games to try and encourage people to read them in a certain way, it makes me think he might be capable of deliberately attempting subtle manipulations.

But well yeah, I look like a dick if he turns out to be town and doing no such thing.


So yeah you're totally right! I'm not sure where I got the impression about bookwyrm - it's either that I was thinking of the impression I had of him from the sign-up, or I was confusing him with someone else. I wrote the post based on my memories of my first read through.

and as for zfr:

this post might have given me bad vibes. Similar to what I picked up on later - short sentences give a dismissive tone. But it was a vote based on early impressions, and I didn't anticipate sticking with it for this long.

AND I assume you went back to my first post because you were looking for how the Zephyr lunchwagon started? I can't decide if I think that's mafia behaviour or town... I suppose it's less likely to be mafia if zfr is town...


I'll post this now and start addressing the other points. 10 minutes will certainly have passed by then.

Are you trying to inflate your post count? :-)


You weren't mafia nor town in that game? Neutral then? :-)

Heh.
Funny thing is that I really read it that way at first.
That you were both mafia with Wyrm and he was giving you advices in scum chat.

Then I re-read it and after I understood it so I asked whether you were mafia or town in your previous and only (is that correct?) game.
It was not related to Bookwyrm anymore.

To get that low-hanging fruit in a form of new-ish player. There is bigger chance than with someone who already experienced it that they won't withstand that pressure and make a slip that can be easily interpreted as scummy (or is actually scummy if a pressured one is mafia and the other one town) and can lead to fairly easy (mis)lynch.

Sorry, force of habit. When I reply to a post on this forum that contains multiple questions I'm used to answering one, clicking Post my message. Rinse and repeat for next question(s) and have the forum software combine it into one post.
Sometimes I forget I'm in a mafia game, I do it out of habit and then have to wait 10 mins or for a friendly bump.

For the last time, in case that is not clear: I played only 1 game previously. I was town in that game. Before that game started Bookwyrm tutored me in chat and I asked lots of questions.
So while I thought it's curious that he answered my question, instead of going "stop role hunting!!!", it simply might have been him being used to answering my questions.

Is that clear now?

Sorry peeps, power went off while I was reading back and getting my posts together (#@$%&!!), thankfully Lazarus seems to have managed to save most of them. Let me go check properly and finish those, and catch up on the more recent posts.

Sorry, that came out a bit too harsh than I wanted.

Thank you everyone for the encouraging words, I am very grateful for the support! I will be headed to the hospital within the hour, but will do my best to keep up on the game and post when I can.



My question for you is if you are town who on your wagon do you think is scum trying to push it along and why?

I don't think it's you. Your post, even though Joe's post was first, was the one which I think caused my wagon to gain momentum. I don't think as scum you'd do it since you'll be under scrutiny after I flip town.
However if someone were scum, they'd jump on it like SPF did (and later unvote and revote to give the appearance that your jump wasn't too hasty). I also have a meta reason against SPF that I don't want to post but will do so after the game is over or in observer thread if there is one.
bler, yes. As stated above.

Joe - not sure... it could be me not being used to his posting style. I'm leaning on him being town. But again it could be me overcompensating for not liking his style.

rabbit - not sure.

I think that's everyone on my wagon.

Good news and best wishes for you all!

Well you look [I]twenty[/I]-six!
And yet earlier you told damnation that you weren't baffled by it, but rather "what the ever loving crap?" A VERY telling inconsistency!!

Ah... this joke makes no sense. Damnation said you might be showing "baffled concern" so I can see now how maybe you were deliberately quoting baffled, but omitting the concern. If you were I found it very amusing.

Flubbucket:

Please do this! Puh-leeeeeeeease


Despite me doubting myself and feeling guilty if it's wrong I'm happy to stay on the ZFR lynch wagon.
I could lynch any of you really. I'm having super doubts about my town read of Vitek, but even those I'm fairly confident with (bler, bookwyrm) it's Day One and I don't know anything. And you gotta lynch someone!


Good point! There is a difference!


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Regarding damnation & bookwyrm, I seem in minority having an urge to do just as bookwyrm did and start pulling apart the huge mess of misunderstandings and false conclusions that was damnation's post 281
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yeah fair enough. As I say these were my first impressions. We're going back to my first post of the game here. I enjoy your frustration.

Would you agree that making/building arguments on memory allows for a rather easy/convenient way out if/when said arguments are questioned and disproven?


The even better question is, why are you avoiding answering my initial question? Am I to infer I’m not getting an answer, period?


You spoke of "tone-reading", and that’s what my comment/counterargument was about.


I don't get it, if even your deeper reason doesn't speak to his alignment, why did you jump on him with cristigale?


To disagree with you of course, why else?

Jokes aside, I didn't read that as all that much of "putting himself on the hook to justify a scumread [etc.]", exactly because of "everyone else is just fartin' around and two posters can't even be assed to half-ass their RVS votes". Scum!Vitek could take a few directions to justify or “justify" his claim in that environment, and he’d have ample to time to pick one (the first inquiry about it didn't come before your post #45).
So I don’t lean either way on this, and him, as I can’t (tone) read Vitek. Other things he’s said later are reasonable/sensible, but a little voice warns me not to be quick to trust him. Or anyone else for that matter.


Jerk!


Nah, you just don't want me to move in with Vitek and flubbucket. Now that I think about it, not sure I actually want either.


The way this played out stood out to me, and I'm trying to see if I can read a (clear?) motive behind it all, and see if and how it could be factored into reading his wagon. If post #280 is the reason, why not vote right away, and if he actually wanted clarification (as his post #255 suggests), why now wait for it?

Without the vote, post #121 can be read in a few different ways, from being an attempt to shift focus from his RNG RVS vote, the attention the vote itself and everything that followed drew, to being an attempt to move on without actually having anything to go on (note that he didn't scumread anything in JoeSapphire's content, or at least he didn't mention anything, just a worry/suspicion that scum!JoeSapphire may use his post-style as cover in the future), to shading JoeSapphire with a “I don’t know your usual posting style” thrown in to balance the impression.

Why do you explain your scumread, but give no reasons for townreading Bookwyrm627?


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That’s a pretty convenient way to avoid stating/committing to why these three are your current(er) scum team…



That “assume I’m joking” kind of sounds that even when you’re joking you’re still serious to some degree…

The reason I commented on this, and phrased it as “somewhat (seemingly?) joking tone”, is that I didn’t actually read it as a joke. But if telling apart when you’re serious from when you’re joking is actually as hard as you say, then I quite likely shouldn’t have assumed that others read this the same way I did.



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Is this correct, or was it meant to be "can't"? I'm also not sure I understand what the last sentence is referring to, in either case ("can" vs "can't"). Elaborate?



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Well, Vitek was voting her from post #53 up until post #251...


Is this seriously a serious question? The answer is right there in the bit you quoted...



It's all those alcohol fumes flubbucket emits, isn't it?



It's not Night yet.


I was going to make a joke about this very thing when you I read your reply to me in post #206, but you had to go and mentioned the recruitment yourself.


Can I have a bump, please?

kabump!