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Posted July 27, 2018
@All I won't be much available from 6pm UTC onwards.

Will be on mobile, might make a short post or change my vote during that time, but that's basically it.
Posted July 27, 2018
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elebutterfly: ......
Take it how you will, but I’m not scum. My gameplay has been poor I admit and I apologize for that, real life has effected my game more than I would like.

I am totally sincere when I say if you really think I’m scum then lynch me if it helps you to figure things out. After I’m lynched I highly suggest lynching SirPrimalform and Lift as I’m 90% positive both are scum. 3 scum seems most likely and I’m torn on who the last might be.

Everyone needs to keep in mind too that if Joe does vig someone again tonight and they are town we are in trouble if we don’t lynch scum today. We lynch town today and both kills at night are Town we start tomorrow at a lynch scum or lose scenario. So all this fence sitting and waffling on who to vote is going to lose it for us.

Excuse my language here but the saying “either shit or get off the pot” is really applicable here. I’m voting Lift and if that’s not who most everyone else wants I’ll gladly switch it to SirPrimalform.
Posted July 27, 2018
Votecount, please?

I'm willing to vote for any of the trio yogsloth/SPF/Lift in this order of preference.
Posted July 27, 2018
Wow. Just caught up.

Unvote Damnation

Yup, I too would like some clarification from Yogs in light of Damnation's claim.

I'll park my vote on trent for now but at the moment I think Book lunch would tell us more. Let's see what yogs has to say though...

vote trentonlf
Posted July 27, 2018
So, I retract my previous statement. Looks like scum won't be obvious after all.

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ZFR: If as you say scum!Damnation implies scum!ZFR then town!ZFR does imply town!Damn. Logically. Forget about the game; it's just boolean logic.

(if scum!D then ZFR is scum) THEREFORE (scum!D and town!ZFR is NOT possible) THEREFORE (if town!ZFR then D is town) QED.
1) Did you just argue that you and Damnation had to be on the same team?

2) Boolean logic doesn't apply here.

Scum!Damnation would avoid Town!ZFR's wagon if Damnation had a reason to do so. One possible reason is to wait a bit and see whether a third town wagon gets going, since there was already resistance to the only wagon currently available at the time. Waiting would help Scum!Damnation avoid an accusation of hopping wagons to anything that seems to be moving.

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Damnation: Right, at the office making my last post for this game day - I won't have time to check in later.
The claimed Town Doctor just walked away without voting anyone for anything. :-/

Also, @Bler: Was this claim what you were looking for on Day 2?

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ZFR: Don't vanilla still get flavour/indication that they get blocked?

I honestly don't know.
5th paragraph

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elebutterfly: This sends Damn soaring onto the town pile for me. Zero reason to doubt this claim.
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ZFR: Which would explain why HSL didn't vote me quickly when I was at L-2 on D1. His 2 scumbuddies were already on my wagon and he was wondering if having his whole team on me on D1 was a good idea (that, plus all the forum software issues caused him to make a decision too late).
Why would scum!sloth avoid the Cristi wagon that was gaining steam?

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Lifthrasil: between Damnation and yogs. One of these two has to be lying.
That's a ridiculous statement, and you should know better.

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elebutterfly: Damn says in #1316 that he will divulge his “information” if people ask for it before either being lynched or modkilled,
Why would town!Damn, who already basically volunteered for the lynch, care about claiming before lynch, since we'd get his info from the lynch anyway?

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Lifthrasil: Now we have to wait for ... hopefully some more input from Damnation.
You should go back and reread his latest post.

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Brig SPF
Vote ZFR

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ZFR: Votecount, please?
Lynch:

Lifthrasil - 1 (trentonlf)
ZFR - 1 (yogsloth, adaliaBookwyrms)
Damnation - 1 (JoeSapphire)
Trent - 1 (elebutterfly)
Yogsloth - 1 (ZFR)

None - 3 (Damnation, bler144, Lifthrasil)
Brigged - SPF

Brig:

SirPrimalform - 6 (yogsloth, trentonlf, bler144, JoeSapphire, ZFR, adaliaBookwyrms)
JoeSapphire - 1 (Lifthrasil)
trentonlf - 1 (SirPrimalform)

None - 2 (elebutterfly, Damnation)
Posted July 27, 2018
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Bookwyrm627: Brig SPF
Vote ZFR

Lynch:

Lifthrasil - 1 (trentonlf)
ZFR - 1 (yogsloth, adaliaBookwyrms)
Damnation - 1 (JoeSapphire)
Trent - 1 (elebutterfly)
Yogsloth - 1 (ZFR)

None - 3 (Damnation, bler144, Lifthrasil)
Brigged - SPF

Brig:

SirPrimalform - 6 (yogsloth, trentonlf, bler144, JoeSapphire, ZFR, adaliaBookwyrms)
JoeSapphire - 1 (Lifthrasil)
trentonlf - 1 (SirPrimalform)

None - 2 (elebutterfly, Damnation)
Did you just brighammer me to get my vote off trent?
Posted July 27, 2018
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Bookwyrm627: 1) Did you just argue that you and Damnation had to be on the same team?

2) Boolean logic doesn't apply here.
1) No.

2) Yes it does.

Here is your two statements

A)
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Bookwyrm627: Scum!damn implies scum!ZFR
B)
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Bookwyrm627: town!ZFR does not imply town!Damn.
Can't you see that A and B can't be both logically be true?

If you still can't here is a truth table.

Possible combinations of (ZFR, Damn)
1. (S, S)
2. (S, T)
3. (T, T)
4. (T, S)

Now.
If A is true, then 4 IS NOT POSSIBLE.
So only 1, 2 and 3 is possible.
THEREFORE: if ZFR is T, then 3 is true. (since 1 and 2 has ZFR as S and 4 is impossible if A is true)
THEREFORE: if ZFR is T then Damn is T.

So, if statement A is true, then Town!ZFR does imply Town!Damn. ergo B is false.

Is it clear now?
Posted July 27, 2018
Actually, I take back my previous post since me being in the brig reduces the majority to 5 votes, thus nullifying the removal of my vote.

So yeah, it's just part of Book's plan to knock out as many power roles as possible.
Posted July 27, 2018
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Bookwyrm627: Scum!Damnation would avoid Town!ZFR's wagon
Scum!Damnation can't "avoid Town!ZFR's wagon" because "Scum!Damnation and Town!ZFR's" can't exist together if you believe statement A is true. (Scum!Damnation implies scum!ZFR).
Posted July 27, 2018
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SirPrimalform: Did you just brighammer me to get my vote off trent?
Sure, why not? That resets the number of votes on Trent back to 1, which is very important to me.

Confession: Trent and I are the scum team. I'm so awesome, Poppy had to use two scum slots when she rolled me as scum.

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ZFR: Here is your two statements

A)
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Bookwyrm627: Scum!damn implies scum!ZFR
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ZFR: B)
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Bookwyrm627: town!ZFR does not imply town!Damn.
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ZFR: Can't you see that A and B can't be both logically be true?
The important bit is not 'X implies Y', the important bit is the reasoning behind the statement.

A Town!Damnation might or might not avoid a Town!ZFR wagon.
A Scum!Damnation might or might not avoid a Town!ZFR wagon.
A Scum!Damnation has a very good built-in reason to avoid a Scum!ZFR wagon.

"implies" does not mean there is a certainty. That's why I used "implies" instead of "means" or some other word of certainty. 'X is a point in favor of Y being true'.
-The statement is "If Damnation is Scum, then ZFR is more likely to be Scum."
-The statement is NOT "If Damnation is Scum, then ZFR is Scum."
Posted July 27, 2018
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SirPrimalform: Did you just brighammer me to get my vote off trent?
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Bookwyrm627: Sure, why not? That resets the number of votes on Trent back to 1, which is very important to me.

Confession: Trent and I are the scum team. I'm so awesome, Poppy had to use two scum slots when she rolled me as scum.
*shakes fist*

*bounces ball against the wall of the brig*
Posted July 27, 2018
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Bookwyrm627: -The statement is "If Damnation is Scum, then ZFR is more likely to be Scum."
-The statement is NOT "If Damnation is Scum, then ZFR is Scum."
OK...

For me "implies" means logical implication. If I meant "is more likely to be" I'd have used "indicates" instead.
Posted July 27, 2018
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elebutterfly: This sends Damn soaring onto the town pile for me. Zero reason to doubt this claim.
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Bookwyrm627: ...
... What? I'm a sucker for believing a full doc claim from someone on the point of being lynched for inactivity, compared with a really dodgy softclaim?

....grr. Why am I doubting myself?!

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elebutterfly: Damn says in #1316 that he will divulge his “information” if people ask for it before either being lynched or modkilled,
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Bookwyrm627: Why would town!Damn, who already basically volunteered for the lynch, care about claiming before lynch, since we'd get his info from the lynch anyway?
"information", not just a claim. i.e. night movements, and that bit of flavour that Lift was really quick to dismiss as filthy lies (interpolated).

@trent I am the last person who should be critiquing gameplay. I am truly sorry for your RL stresses, but I think there are too many things over the past month that add up together to make me move my vote just yet. However, since Wyrm took somewhat drastic action to remove SPF's quick vote, I don't think you need to be worried just yet..!

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Bookwyrm627: Sure, why not? That resets the number of votes on Trent back to 1, which is very important to me.
I.... what... I dunno man, I don't like the way that went down.

Uggghhh... If Damn is scum, I admire him profoundly for it. I don't think he is though. Not at the moment.
Posted July 27, 2018
The "I hope the bed is comfy" votecount.

Lynch:

ZFR - 2 (yogsloth, adaliaBookwyrms)
Damnation - 1 (JoeSapphire)
Lifthrasil - 1 (trentonlf)
yogsloth - 1 (ZFR)
trentonlf - 1 (elebutterfly)

None - 3 (Damnation, Lifthrasil, bler144)

Brig:

SirPrimalform - 6 (yogsloth, trentonlf, bler144, JoeSapphire, ZFR, adaliaBookwyrms)
JoeSapphire - 1 (Lifthrasil)

None - 2 (elebutterfly, Damnation)

SirPrimalform has been brigged! He can no longer vote. The Brig count will be reset.

With 9 active players, it takes 5 votes to reach a consensus.

Day 3 will end at 23:00 UTC today, which is six and a half hours from now.

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Bookwyrm627: ZFR - 1 (yogsloth, adaliaBookwyrms)
I'm glad to see you agree, 1 + 1 = 1.
Post edited July 27, 2018 by PoppyAppletree
Posted July 27, 2018
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elebutterfly: However, since Wyrm took somewhat drastic action to remove SPF's quick vote, I don't think you need to be worried just yet..!
Care to start an unbrig SPF movement? I'm a bit alarmed by the way no one else sees Book's little plan as being a good idea. The entire thing is built out of wine and assumptions and seems to be geared around making sure they won't be blocked or vigged (dictating Joe should kill me).

Considering I was low hanging fruit yesterday, I'm assuming I blocked the night kill and that's suddenly why the scum want me brigged and vigged. If they lynched me then my town flip would influence the night action choices (Joe might go for one of them?). This way my flip is only revealed tomorrow morning.
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