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yogsloth: I don't know that I'm feeling a CFD onto Damnation.

I mean, I know I have a reputation to uphold as a slaughterer of the... you know... but to go from literally zero wagon as of a few minutes ago to try and string up the lurkwaffle in a rush before deadline...

If I can't have ZFR or SPF, I don't know where Town is going here.
We are going nowhere as fast as we can so scum can stay hidden in plain sight and direct the game, sound about right to you?

I don't plan on voting Damnation, but I have no issue voting SirPrimalform. Still don't think I would vote ZFR today either.

If you end up being scum yogs I will hate you forever.....
Well I will really applaud your excellent scum play and then try to kill you next time we play together :)
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bler144: I confess I didn't anticipate quite that much enthusiasm either. It might just be me, but SPF seems eager to vote for anyone not named SPF. Which, I suppose, given he's at least on the menu might just be NAI.
Is it ever considered AI to not want to vote for yourself? While I've moved my vote around quite a bit I think I've been pretty consistent about who I'm willing to vote for since the Joe claim. The only recent change has been knocking Joe off the list (I feel like Book is way more likely to be scum at this point) and adding Damnation to the list of lynches I'd support (but by no means prefer).

Ok, I'm going to bed. I'll probably be back and checking the thread between tomorrow afternoon and the deadline (for reference I'm in UTC+1).

'night all.
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bler144: Uhhh...if Joe is town he's almost certainly telling the truth about 6 shots, not 8. Ergo town!joe proves no block, no?
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Bookwyrm627: Joe had no f'ing clue what his flavor was until it was pointed out to him that the flavor he was originally presenting sounded insane.
Serious question since I can't recall - did you play Drealmer's Oakwood game. You did, right?

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trentonlf: If you end up being scum yogs I will hate you forever.....
Well I will really applaud your excellent scum play and then try to kill you next time we play together :)
Well, despite being worried about the fact he seems to have curiously overlooked how his softclaim role would work/not with a strongman in play (not exactly an uncommon role), I'm comforted in the knowledge that we have never, ever had a game with a town roleblocker and mafia doctor. So at least that would be unpossible.
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bler144: Well, despite being worried about the fact he seems to have curiously overlooked how his softclaim role would work/not with a strongman in play (not exactly an uncommon role), I'm comforted in the knowledge that we have never, ever had a game with a town roleblocker and mafia doctor. So at least that would be unpossible.
god ****it would you people stop bringing that up


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I really really feel like brigging SPF is the right thing to do here. Just sayin'.

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I will be online all day tomorrow until deadline, so I'll be here to help get something done. We're not no-lynching. We're getting a wolf pelt today and bagging another one tomorrow.

For now though, g'night.
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Bookwyrm627: Joe had no f'ing clue what his flavor was until it was pointed out to him that the flavor he was originally presenting sounded insane.
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bler144: Serious question since I can't recall - did you play Drealmer's Oakwood game. You did, right?
Yeah. I think I was the only vanilla. I kept hearing about other people doing flavor stuff, but I only ever got "you wouldn't do that!" when I tried to do anything. Brasas did me a huge favor by killing me N1, and I pretty much stopped following the game after that.
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SirPrimalform: While I've moved my vote around quite a bit I think I've been pretty consistent about who I'm willing to vote for since the Joe claim. The only recent change has been knocking Joe off the list (I feel like Book is way more likely to be scum at this point) and adding Damnation to the list of lynches I'd support (but by no means prefer).

'night all.
You might be - I'm just too tired to process too much requiring actual tracking and consolidation. Just see you voting a lot.


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bler144: Serious question since I can't recall - did you play Drealmer's Oakwood game. You did, right?
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Bookwyrm627: Yeah. I think I was the only vanilla. I kept hearing about other people doing flavor stuff, but I only ever got "you wouldn't do that!" when I tried to do anything. Brasas did me a huge favor by killing me N1, and I pretty much stopped following the game after that.
I will say, both in that game and in this one (and probably the dungeon game and others) I completely overlooked something in the flavour post that could've gotten me lynched if I were already under suspicion, since generally when i first get it I'm just interested in the "what" and assume flavour is irrelevant or just for amusement.

I have no idea if it's true, but the ...freneticism (pretend that's a word) of Joe's posting make me assume he's probably not reading PMs super carefully either. But you are right that his last word on the matter at least seems muddled. If you want to press him to clarify for really reals what his PM actually says, you have my blessing as your XO.


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yogsloth: For now though, g'night.
Good night you princes of Anaheim, you kings of Left Coast.

I'm also out. Other than being paranoid I'm not accomplishing anything productive and even my jokes are lackluster tonight. :(
Oh, right. The screwup in the dungeon game was that it took me til late in D3 before I realized that, buried in the flavor was the fact that N1 I'd copped Quad as Cop (scum cop, of course) and N2 that CSPVG was "Stats Cop" and completely missed the difference for literal real life days.

I mean, Joe could be maf, but...I dunno. Maybe trent tried some other kill and was blocked and we're overthinking it.

I guess my curiosity is, if you think he's fake claiming, why iyo he spill the whole thing right out instead of just fake claiming the role and only spinning out the lie as questioned rather than overexplaining right off the bat? I still feel like he believes it.

This is one of the upsides of lynching ZFR, I would say, who is still in play to not just be maf but godfatherpresident.

For one, that probably clears Lift - I don't see buddy!Lift making that whole scene about "Hey, with your claim you could legit be Godfather!" Plus it would clear Joe. Though if I were Joe and ZFR flipped Maf I would definitely contemplate shooting Trent no matter what the daytime dealio was.

Anyway, IDK. Really turning my computer off.

Will check in in the a.m.
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bler144: I will say, both in that game and in this one (and probably the dungeon game and others) I completely overlooked something in the flavour post that could've gotten me lynched if I were already under suspicion, since generally when i first get it I'm just interested in the "what" and assume flavour is irrelevant or just for amusement.
Sure, maybe there are clues in the flavor, but they could just as easily be red herrings or straight up the mod having fun. In the game I hosted, someone targeted JMich and watched him walk around town, including some loving detail about him picking a flower. JMich did absolutely nothing that night, mechanically speaking. I did leave a single line hint to anyone who was poisoned, but I don't think anyone ever noticed.

Anyway.

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bler144: If you want to press him to clarify for really reals what his PM actually says, you have my blessing as your XO.
I'm not going to bother. No one seems to be working with me, so I'm going to stop spinning my wheels.

I'll be around most of the day tomorrow, except for the last hour or so. If a wagon builds for something, I'll decide whether it is interesting enough to bother joining.
Sorry for being all pessimistic, but what use is a “green” result from bler in anyone if we are just going to assume they might be a godfather anyway...?

Look. We’re all going to have to start assuming some things or, as is currently happening, we’re not going to get anywhere.

On that note:

vote trenton

On reflection the Joe kerfuffle is entertaining and a bit odd, but ultimately not scummy.
Could also lynch bookwyrm (today’s sensible points don’t entirely absolve him from two days worth of niggling doubt), le ZFR, or Damn just to finally get some clarity there. But it’s getting a little late for stop-gap lynches..

Leaning town, no order:
Joe, bler, me

Confused suspicion, no order:
SPF, bookwyrmadalia, Liftrabbit, HSloth, trent

Leaning ????, no order:
ZFR, Damn
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ZFR: Also, do you think the other way is true? i.e. would town!ZFR imply town!Damn?
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Bookwyrm627: No, town!ZFR does not imply town!Damn. There was a chance of the ZFR wagon not going through with a few people declining it, so scum!Damn might take a chance on digging out another PR (like Cristi).
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

I'm stupid.

I'm sooooo stupid.

If as you say scum!Damnation implies scum!ZFR then town!ZFR does imply town!Damn. Logically. Forget about the game; it's just boolean logic.

(if scum!D then ZFR is scum) THEREFORE (scum!D and town!ZFR is NOT possible) THEREFORE (if town!ZFR then D is town) QED.
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ZFR: Also, do you think the other way is true? i.e. would town!ZFR imply town!Damn?
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Bookwyrm627: No, town!ZFR does not imply town!Damn. There was a chance of the ZFR wagon not going through with a few people declining it, so scum!Damn might take a chance on digging out another PR (like Cristi).
There it is. Modus tollens:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_tollens

I should kick myself for even asking that question.
This is so embarassing.
Right, at the office making my last post for this game day - I won't have time to check in later.

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trentonlf: Don’t quit, try for at least one meaningful post a day if at all possible. Just think Buzz lightyear, Never give up never surrender.
I could stay in the game, sure, but I won't be able to do that. My activity will more likely than not drop during subsequent game days.
Next week's schedule allows for Tuesday to be set aside of this game. When I agreed to join, my schedule during week days was relatively empty, but a lot of things have picked up at work, so I don't have much spare time.

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bler144: Not often someone is distraught with a smiley face. What are you distraught about? I mean, in the end it is a game.

I stress about it mostly just because over time it takes over my brain. And sure, i claimed partly so I wouldn't feel singly responsible for town losing if we do, or for trying to crack the game all by my lonesome.
Smiley face - sarcasm. I'm being serious that I'm distraught, but I'm still able to laugh about it.
I'm distraught because I really do feel like I detract from this game because of my inactivity, and it annoys me a lot. I is a game, sure, but it's a social game, and there are other people depending on you playing it with them.

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bler144: It sure would be nice if Dangnation would share whatever he's got.
I wanted people to ask for it because it seems quite a few have me pegged as scum, and my role might just end up muddying the situation more.
Anyhow, since you (and Joe indirectly) asked, here goes:

MY day 1 post against ZFR was a (I admit) shakey gambit, but it went like this (I do not consider it successful, however):
Pick a player who was appaearing town. I, like a few others, saw ZFR's hiccups as those of a newbie, or someone at least not quite accustomed to the game yet, and thereby appearing town to me.
My thoughts were then to construct a very poor attack on said person, in order to either elicit a reaction from that person - or let someone start scumhunting on me - to cause a large rift.
My initial plan was to escalate it quite a bit, but never push for a lynch. I got what I hoped for, when Bookwyrm jumped in. He, at the time at least, elicit a town-vibe to me, which was perfect.
If I could appear slightly scummier than my "opponent", but both of us get enough spotlight, I was hoping to have the toasters react to it and attempt to nightkill one of us in order to throw shade at the other.
I feel this failed, however, as I ended up not packing enough punch towards Bookwyrm as I should have.
My plan, if this would occur, would be to prevent that.

I am Karl 'Helo' Agathon, Crew Protector (Town Doctor).

At the end of the day, though, a lot of things happened that ended up getting me to doubt if I should continue to pursue this (Especially with things having died a bit down between me and Bookwyrm).
Then there was littlerabbit's post asking me directly if I thought flub was the cop, coupled with Lift doing the exact same thing, only more aggressively, got me worried. Two players with the same slot got to the same conclusion.
Most surely wrong now (I have no reason to doubt bler - well, maybe on sanity, given flavor, but that's not hard enough evidence I'd say), I thought this was Lift seeding out a potential false-claim setup for scumbuddies (From what he would see) because he could counter claim - ergo, he was the Cop, OR it would be scum trying to sow discord.
I decided the former was most likely, and protected Lift N1. Nothing happened. Flavor-wise I followed him in the night, ready to beat up anyone trying anything. Curiously, Lift was near Baltar's lab.
Night 2 I didn't feel I had a lot to go by, so I went to protect SPF - I still think him town, especially if there's a Vig in this game who can kill every night.

I'll stay since you guys want me to, so no requesting modkills (And request a replacement was never my first thought, given the very reason you guys state as well). At least this means bler should be safe tonight, no?

I'll use whatever time I can steal at work to keep up with you guys, but I can not promise anything more than that.
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yogsloth: I mean... I'm like 92.4% sure he's mafia, so... threatening to vote himself? "Disturbing" is such a heavy word. Help a brother out. What?
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Bookwyrm627: There is a very simple reason vanilla Trent wouldn't have known about being blocked, one which should have occurred to a vanilla ZFR.
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Don't vanilla still get flavour/indication that they get blocked?

I honestly don't know.
And just finished reading up to Damnation's post...

So either Damnation/yogsloth is lying?
Well now I feel somewhat justified about not leaping on damn’s wagon...!

Lift being “seen” near Baltar’s lab N1, given that Baltar turned up dead the next morning, is gloriously suggestive... but only indicative of a slippery slope to flavour-gaming. Have I mentioned this isn’t going to work here? I think I mentioned that already.

This sends Damn soaring onto the town pile for me. Zero reason to doubt this claim.

Prepost edit: Wyrm would it kill you to not be so cryptic about this world-shattering observation of yours? (Genuine question, if it would kill you then by all means continue to do so.)