There are 3 types of people: those who can count and those who can't.

1 + 1 = 1, ZFR. It is has always been this way, and will always be this way.

lolololol

And we're brigging the VT instead of the "Town Roleblocker"

I dunno people, I dunno

We really need to brig SPF.

Get him off that Joe wagon, drop the required # to lynch to five.


You still are all pithy comments, no actual help

Vote ZFR

No. 1 + 1 = 10

Just checking in shortly. Busy day, much too hot and I have a visitor. My reads haven't changed much either. I would still like to lynch Joe but I will also switch to trent, if the Joe wagon is further derailed.

@bler: if I make it into the night I would ask you, perhaps a bit selfishly, to investigate me. I seem to be the biggest distraction to town at the moment and since I am read as scummy by many, scum can far too easily continue to use me as distraction.
If I am lynched today, I would suggest that you either investigate trent (they can't all be GF, after all) or, obviously, SPF. I mean he has claimed a PR that can easily be a scum-PR.

Why would the "we" refer to town?
Consider the underlined part: "Those who woke up to day three thinking "but we thought Bler was going to get ded, why is it flubbucket? Frak our cover's blown everbody panick!""

Town doesn't have cover to blow, and to me it seems a pretty clear reference back to his claim post where he talked about scum panicing because the wrong person is dead.

Unfortunately, I read all the surrounding material before I read Day 2, so I have no idea who I might have expected to get NK'd during N2. Peculiar advantages and disadvantages to having spoilers on the D2/N2 flips.

I'm half expecting to get Damnation's flip in about 2 hours. Outside him, my preferred investigation pool is currently probably Lift or SPF, with ZFR as a somewhat more distant 3rd.

Lift and SPF are both very strong candidates for scum in most situations, and clearing one of them as town should help seal in who has to be scum.

Once I've got the wagons in front of me, I'll have another look at this too.

My knee-jerk reaction is "Don't investigate me", based solely on me already knowing my own alignment; such an investigation doesn't give me, personally, anything new to work with.

Tactically, I'm not sure. There are several investigations of one-off players (me, trent) that would be useful as at least individual clears, and most of the rest of the possibilities implicates someone else's alignment. I'll think about it and try to come back to this.

I'm kind of feeling like an SPF lynch will be very enlightening on who is and isn't likely to be scum.

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Yes, I'm reconsidering the possibility of town!Joe. No, I don't like it either; you can suck it up, just like I'm having to do.

I think we need to know whether Joe has at least one shot left. If he does, and we can generally agree on a scum target for tonight (maybe with "If X flips Y, then Shoot Z. Otherwise Shoot Q", then we skip the brig and have Joe shoot someone. If the selected target flips scum, we clear Joe. If two bodies show up, we clear Joe. If only the selected target dies and the selected target flips town, we figure out who has to be scum from there (NAI toward Joe).

...Ugly thought: Is there an SK in the setup? Does that fit in BSG flavor anywhere at all? Going to assume not.

I'm looking at the SPF's Day 1 wagon.

-Official vote count in 526:
SirPrimalform - 6 (Bookwyrm, ZFR, Damnation, trentonlf, flubbucket, elebutterfly)
ZFR - 5 (JoeSapphire, bler114, SirPrimalform, Lifthrabbit, cristigale)
cristigale - 1 (Vitek)
[Not voting - HSL]

-507 votecount shows SPF at L-2 (Flub in joined 503).
-Ele makes SPF L-1 in 509. Ele/SPF/Wyrm in a mutual triangle of stated distrust; Ele moved from Wyrm (non-viable) to SPF before signing off for the Day.

Removing generally known town from the wagon list:
SirPrimalform - 6 (Bookwyrm, ZFR, Damnation, trentonlf, X, elebutterfly)
ZFR - 5 (JoeSapphire, X, SirPrimalform, Lifthrabbit, X)


-SPF claims Town RB in 517, and people have a chance to respond. Joe visibly has a chance to hammer.

-Wyrm chose not to move (522) and ended Day here, and Ele was apparently afk (no decision possible).

-Trent (temp?) unvotes in 533. ZFR unvotes in 535. Damnation (permanently?) unvotes in 539.

Town!SPF implies Town!Joe (scum!Joe would kill the town PR, 'RB is an obvious mafia role').
Scum!Joe implies Scum!SPF (scum!Joe would kill a town PR, 'RB is an obvious mafia role').
Scum!SPF strongly imples Town!Ele (scum!ele would have to unnecessarily put scum buddy PR(?) at L-1 before vanishing, and scum!ele would have to be GF).
WIFOM since I'm saying it, but Scum!SPF implies Town!Wyrm (scum!Wyrm could reasonably have used the "PR claim" excuse to leave the L-1 wagon)

-Trent's unvote is NAI; lowering claimed PR from L-1 is a reasonable action for either alignment.
-ZFR has claimed to have unvoted before seeing Trent's unvote, which would make his unvote also NAI.

-I feel that scum!SPF vaguely implies scum!damnation, but I don't think that's much more than emotion on my part.

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-EOD 1, Damnation avoided the ZFR wagon. Said a few times he could go for it, but didn't. AdaliaFundamentals -> User name search Damnation, posts 518 to 614 (pages 26-31 for default posts per page).
-At less than 5 minutes left, Damnation joins the Cristi wagon (quoting her post about needing time to claim).

Scum!damn implies scum!ZFR

Damnation doesn't look good here (to me).

what's SK?

Serial Killer. A third party role that generally needs to be the last one standing to win. Usually has their own NK, independent of mafia NK.

The lack of a N1 double kill speaks against an SK, though. Presence of an SK should just be a paranoia thought on my part.

Only because he avoided voting me?

I was at L-2, so he couldn't hammer anyway. When he voted, cristi had a viable wagon too.

Then you should probably just lynch me.

Look guys, I've done a lot of thinking today, and I have to admit, I don't have enough time to do this game and you guys justice. After having read some of you guys' personal situations (bler and trent), I have to say that I feel kinda shitty not being able to participate properly because I cannot invest the time this game deserves. I think I detract too much from your fun, since I just barely have the time to keep up with your posts.
I had more time during D1, and I thought I would have had more time to invest but it turns out I really didn't, and for that I am sorry. I mean, I've just caught up, and with a lot of skimming too.

If you've no desire to lynch me, I'll likely end up requesting a replacement (which would be unfair to the new player, since my slot is in a very weird spot, and to you guys since you'd need to deal with a fresh face), or a modkill.

I'm sorry, and I know this sucks, but I do believe you guys deserve better.

But anyhow, before anything, you'd likely want some information from me, though only if you ask me:
I'm willing to state my role, and in so doing, explain what my post against ZPF on D1 was all about.

like Bler, I'd be happy to hear everybody's thoughts for who I should vig tonight. I'm probably going to vig no-one, but it's still the middle of the day...


To Bler:
I think Damnation is a worthy investigation, as we're not going to find out anything from himself. And Lifthrasil, who summed up the reasons to investigate himself succinctly.

Who NOT to investigate? I don't know? I think everybody should be investigated. If I had to pick someone I'd say... Bookwyrm?

ZPF? Is that the illegitimate child of me and SPF?

You're absolutely right!

Sorry, I'm a bit distraught right now :p