Because when I wrote it I didn't see him as a likely GF. He'd have had to known he was investigated, invented the vig-claim, including the elaborate falvour...

Now that I think about it... I don't know. Was his posting style that I pointed out on D1 purposely messy to get investigated and appear town?

Because I'm running out of people.

I'm reading fast and scattered right now, but a few things immediately. Trying to be succinct.

1. Yup. I'm Town. (Seriously bler the French accent thing was too funny to anyone that knows me IRL, I am a bit relieved it wasn't entirely BS, that would have been too sad.) I think I believe bler. But I'm not claiming unless there's a significant swing in favour of my lynch.

2. I am a bit bemused by the lack of formality of Joe and bler's claims, to be completely honest, though bler's checks out more solidly than Joe's at this point. Joe doesn't actually say he's town, or formally that he's a one-shot vig, he just claims the nightkill, which is weird wording coming from a crew member... (If I missed this in the rush, apologies.) bler actually had to point it out himself that no one had demanded a claim.

3. falseclaiming cop with a confirmed Deputy is a really... ballsy, or very stupid, idea.

4. total bafflement at Joe's little episode. I am inclined to take it at face value. Except there's still something off for me about the claim itself.

@ZFR Logically, how likely is it that Damnation and I are both lurking scum? 2/3 lurkers on the scumteam is awful play, that I would hope neither of us would deliberately inflict on our hypothetical scumbuddies.

Am most suspicious of those who are sliding around all of this uproar shifting their votes. Off the top of my head with no data points, just feelings, gun-to-the-head thing: trenton, Lift, and Wyrm. I've called trenton on his vote swapping before, so he stands out a little bit more. AdaWyrm's determination to still lynch Joe is interesting (I'll be honest, I'm struggling to consolidate adawyrms as a slot at the moment). Lift's attack and retreat on me (was that years ago now?) also still stands out badly (OMGUS!)

Spreadsheet time. For science!

Logically, assuming that your lurking is due to RL issue beyond your control, it's just as likely as X and Y both being scum.

Now that's the beginning of a lynch wagon, right there. Textbook. <3
Pre-post edit: I never have been good at if X then Y.

I am interested in those who are riffing off bler's godfather idea. I presume, bler, that you must still have some kind of reservation about both Joe and I in order to have brought this up? Carbonade aside.

I'm not a godfather, by the way. Just putting that out there.

I have more questions (and I think things to address) but I really need to re-read first. Damn this heat.

No "if X then Y here".

Real-life issues don't differentiate between town and scum. If it's real life issues that caused you and Damnation to lurk they could have happened to any two people. Stating "how likely is it that Damnation and I are both lurking scum" as if that somehow made it less likely that you and Damnation are scum together is like taking 2 names from random.org and then saying they both can't be scum because "how likely is it that random.org just happened to pick 2 scum".

My vote is on Lift, will happily move it to SirPrimalform if need be as I think he’s not town. Not voting bler, Joe, ele, bookwyrm, yogs, or ZFR today. Damnation I have leaning town so I’m not sure I could be convinced to vote him either.

As for me if I am the lynch I don’t really care, my mood is grumpy at this point (not game related at all, everyone here is awesome) so can't guarantee I’ll be overly involved today.


For me my solid town reads are bler, Joe, bookwyrm, and ele. I’ve moved ZFR to not sure.
My solid scum reads are Lift and SirPrimalform.
My guess is theee scum, I’m not sure who the third is.

I am Anastasia “Dee” Dualla, Crew Regular (Town Vanilla)

If you doubt my claim, oh well I’ll get over it
If you think I’m scum, you’re wrong and again I don’t really care

I’ll be on later this evening

Juuuuuust what a godfather would say! dun dun dun

I don't really put a lot of stock in you/joe being GF. Yes, Joe was behaving mysteriously in a way that might draw a cop, but so was flub, so was I, etc. Lift has been chasing LHF all game. Damn and Ele both lurky, etc.

It feels like Wyrm is really putting a lot of eggs in this basket in a way that's...interesting. Could be town!gut (right/wrong), could be town!tunneling, could be nefarious.

I would kind of expected scum!wyrm to morph to an alternate array of options but WIFOM aside presumably there are many but perhaps not.

Anyway, I have to get out the door to training, but something occurred to me last night trying to sleep that people who are around today and do like if x then y stuff....

I said it earlier, but go back and look at Joe's two wagons with fresh data and the range of options narrows. I forget who piled on the second time but the first time was:

yogs (generally town cleared)
book
zfr
trent
lift

off wagon were:
bler (generally town cleared)
spf
ele (pretty much has to be town if scum!Joe)
damn
joe


If town!Joe
bler / SPF both had a chance to hammer. ele / damn both not present. Joe not hammering himself is NAI. But you'd need at least one maf in those 5, probably two.

If, as wyrm is proposing, GF!Joe
look again. Ele can't reasonably be GF is Joe is, so not maf in this scenario, bler not maf. That would either mean scum team is Joe/SPF/Damn, or perhaps two of those and one of zfr/trent/lift is bussing.

So I guess wyrm and yogs and others I'd suggest poking at that.

EBWOP - I don't think I explained town!Joe mechanics very well, but y'all can work it out probably better than I have anyway.

I don't agree. For a couple reasons - one Joe's "we" there presumably refers to town opinion, so the more fitting question is "why assume you know what town is thinking"
two, I assumed they would NK yogs if town!HSloth or maaaaybe me. But killing t!yogsloth in that N2 gamestate had to be a serious consideration. So I don't find that line of thinking of assuming "scum will kill X" particularly odd.


What's your rationale behind that combo?

I ...think I actually buy this enough to incorporate into my game read. Later.



@Everyone:
Ok, so unless we hit strongman with lynch/brig, assume I'm dead N3. But in case I'm not, I'd really like it if everyone could go ahead and list:
1) The two players you think I should investigate, in order (two in case we lynch one) - don't need to explain why, and
2) The one player you think I should not investigate outside of bler/yogs/Joe/ele.

Ok, now I really have to run.

Deadline extension probably works out well - I really will be tied up a bunch today, and not sure precisely where to go...

lol @ people still voting Joe

If you can't trust a fella that shoots people in the back of the head, who can you trust?

Before I change back to a vote... do we care about the bring mechanic? Does anybody care?

I was reading back, and the ZFRs self-vote for brigging struck me as LAMIST, like it would confirm him town to most people... which it seems to have done? Yogs pointed it out at the top of this page and it stuck with me while re-reading.

Trent's been rubbing me up the wrong way since EoD2, hence the block. Since then it's only been wronger. The weird "I got no indiecation what so ever that anyone visited me last night" softclaim. My guess is that I was right to block last night but to night kill me would be a waste when the lynch could so easily be steered in my direction.

If they're both cylons it would explain why trent was so sure that ZFR was town but once called out on how he could be so certain he was forced to brig him to put a bit of distance between them.

If the third member of the team is GF!Joe then it's fairly simple, Joe killed Flub and that was it.

If the third member of the team is Book then Joe did vig Flub and either:
a. The mafia kill was blocked (Me -> Trent), pretty easy for Trent to claim vanilla.
b. Joe is right about a double kill then it was most likely Book, however if the mafia have a strongarm it could well have been trent or maybe even ZFR? If ZFR is a strongarm and submitted the kill completely cut off from the night chat it might well explain some genuine surprise on the part of his buddies.

For me there's enough WIFOM surrounding Joe's claim and the wagons before and after that I think his lynch would be informative even if he flipped town. If he flips scum I'll probably consider Book cleared.

Pre-post-edit:

@yogs: I like the bring mechanic, the question is what do we bring? Flowers again would be boring. Chocolates maybe?

Jokes aside, I would be up for brigging one of my above scum candidates.

Looking at the votecount I realise I left my brig vote on trent. I'm actually pretty happy to leave it there as I think my blocking him last night is the reason for his strange play today.

But to reiterate for visibility:

brig trentonlf

I will also vote JoeSapphire again on the basis of my last post.

@ bler: investigate trent (assuming we don't lynch him), Damnation, Lift (if we lynch Trent)

I'm also ok lynching trent.

unvote Damnation
Only because Damnation wagon is getting nowhere but he's still my strongest scum read

vote Trent
brig Damnation

Oh god, I completely forgot bler asked who he should investigate. I nominate trent and ZFR for investigation. I would say don't bother investigating Books if we lynch Joe and he flips scum.

The "you can't just reuse a votecount's name like that" votecount.

Lynch:

JoeSapphire - 3 (adaliaBookwyrms, Lifthrasil, SirPrimalform)
Lifthrasil - 2 (JoeSapphire, trentonlf)
SirPrimalform - 1 (bler144)
trentonlf - 1 (ZFR)

None - 3 (elebutterfly, Damnation, yogsloth)

Brig:

trentonlf - 2 (SirPrimalform, bler144)
Damnation - 2 (adaliaBookwyrms, ZFR)
JoeSapphire - 1 (Lifthrasil)
SirPrimalform - 1 (yogsloth)

None - 4 (elebutterfly, JoeSapphire, Damnation, trentonlf)

With 10 active players, it takes 6 votes to reach a consensus.

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