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Posted July 26, 2018
Got some catching up to do, and I'll be out of the house today, though I'm able to be part of the game on my phone.
Posted July 26, 2018
Holy shit those are some walls of text. No way I can catch up with that right this second.

I support request for a deadline extension
Posted July 26, 2018
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yogsloth: Book is in one of those moods where if he's not careful, someone is gonna come along and convince him to hammer himself.
Finest doctor I ever killed. Only managed visit droids and aliens, iirc.
Posted July 26, 2018
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Bookwyrm627: snip
Well, thank you.

Ok, fair enough - there are enough town roles on display that an out and about GF is at least in play. If you think that's the reality though, how do you work backwards to Joe?

Scum!ZFR, on the theory that Joe got awkwardly caught on a buddy's wagon early D1 and just couldn't find a good out? Scum!SPF mayyyybe. But it wasn't clear for a long time that SPF was going to emerge as the primary alternate wagon to ZFR.

If flavor matters, I suppose I should have looked closer at that - I got focused on the bit about being attacked by cylons. But reading the whole thing more carefully I passed out drinking after starting the test (thus the dream about the cylons) and only woke up to find the machine green.

But...who the frak knows if flavor matters and just sabotaging the sample in advance would make more sense than an elaborate "hope he gets drunk and sneak in and swap the samples."

Yeah...maybe I should have just let Joe get lynched. IDK. I still think he's town, but I'm probably an idiot and have been thinking he's town for 3+ days on the PM. But I was starting to wake up in the middle of the night thinking about the game and distracted during meetings. That just can't continue.

So I kinda made my problems all y'alls problems ;)
Posted July 26, 2018
Yeah, i just re-read Joe. Despite wyrm's suspicions tugging on me, Joe still makes more sense to me as town.

His reads on flub EOD2 are consistent with vigging him (certainly open to WIFOM), but probably more so his suspicion of me for what I was doing EOD2 (trying to lower NK profile) and opening of D3 (when I was wasting time with yogs) feels pretty legit.

And there's still the problem that, compared to every other claim and flip so far, Coxley McHanderson as Godfather would be pretty discrepant from the rest of the pattern.

I'm out for the night. Going to try and unplug brain from game, probably unsuccessfully but really need to.
Posted July 26, 2018
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yogsloth: bler ain't gettin' nightkilled

I feel like you should be hip to this
With which you just soft-claimed Doctor. No, I'm not role-fishing, I am stating the obvious. If you are town you just revealed another f-ing PR to scum! And if there is a Strongman this scheme won't help at all. As you yourself noticed a bit later. *sigh*

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Bookwyrm627: -Post 1264: "Those who woke up to day three thinking "but we thought Bler was going to get ded,"
And how do YOU know who scum were planning to kill?
Huh. That is actually a good question.

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bler144: I just don't see it with his claim. I think his action is legit, since he would have had to worry about tracking presumably as much as copping, and probably his name claim. It's not to say he would be the first GF to go out hunting, but...usually the point of a GF is to remain hidden until they have to act rather than just coughed up to a watcher or tracker when the full team is still healthy (certainly they could have been -ZFR).
No. With a clearance from the cop the GF can safely be seen doing a NK. He can always just claim Vig. So, receipe for a GF: act scummy enough to draw a cop read, then you can kill with impunity.

And I wouldn't read too much in his name claim. I mean your name, Saul, is a Cylon sleeper agent, if I remember correctly. But still you are the town-cop.

@Bookwyrm: I am quite sure that bler's claim is legit and he really is the town-cop. Otherwise we would have a counter-claim by now. Unless the absent elebutterfly is the cop, but I don't think that.

@bler: Back to Joe. There are a lot of PRs on the table, so GF is a possibility. Joe definitely acted a bit scummy. Perhaps intentionally. There was only one NK. So we're back to: either scum shot the body that Joe produced by pure dumb luck. Or trent is scum and the scum-NK was blocked. Or Joe is GF.

I still have a hard time believing the double kill theory. Trent seems to be really scum-hunting, even if he has the wrong target with me at the moment. Joe acted scummy and did a nightkill. So for me the decision between 'incredible luck, trent or Joe' hasn't changed.

@all: even if we don't lynch Joe because you believe him, how about at least brigging him so that he can't do another NK? If he's scum, the advantage of brigging him is obvious. If he is Vig, he will at least not mis-shoot again when he is brigged. Because let's face it: another mis-lynch plus a mis-shot and we're done. We're probably at 7:3 right now. With 3 dead we would be at 4:3, which would mean that all townies have to agree on a correct target and just one wrong vote would mean that scum can pile on, quicklynch and win. So I really think it would be in our interest to prevent another Vig-kill, if there ever was one, or brig a scum.

Side note: if we're not at 7:3 but at 6:4 as some have speculated AND Joe were really town, this game would probably already be over. He was at L-1 twice. If we were at 6:4, scum could have quick-hammered him without hesitation and Tomorrow we would have been at 4:4 - which means we would have lost. Scum didn't quickhammer, so either we don't have 4 scum or all 4 scum were already on his wagon or Joe isn't town. ...

In any case: my preferred lynch today is still Joe.
Emergency backup lynch: trent, because he being blocked might be the reason that there wasn't a second NK, if Joe is town.
Posted July 26, 2018
So, how about Damnation?

I reread his posts and between his weird questioning me on D1 then immediately becoming friendly after my answers, becoming friendly after my accusations on D2, his "well go ahead and lynch me" (mimicking flub to appear town like him?) on D3 he appears to be the scum.

If he is, Lift is his likely partner. That, coupled with his pushing to brig flub and now Joe.

And the third:
_ SirP: I don't see Damnation not voting me quickly when myself and SirP where the wagons. He could easily do it.
_ ele: would have to be GF as per bler (which is not impossible given the power roles).
_ trent: ? I don't see Lift and trent be 2 scum together but I haven't gone over it with much detail.
_ books: I was going to say yes, but would he give up 2 scum buddies in post 1148?

So my pick for bragging after game over: Damnation/Lift/ele(GF)

Anybody willing to lynch Damnation or Lift?

(also willing to lynch adalia, possibly trent).

Definitely not: bler, yogsomniacLive, Joe
Posted July 26, 2018
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ZFR: Anybody willing to lynch Damnation or Lift?
I am willing to vote Damnation as a backup solution. Lynching a lurker is always a sensible backup if all else fails and someone has to be scum. Ele can only be scum if she is GF. But it can't be that both her and Joe are GF and between the two it was Joe who acted scummier and who did at least one kill. So if the choice is between her and him being the GF, my money is on Joe. So I'm not willing to let go yet.

But if the choice is Damnation or nobody, then definitely Damnation! Get a solid train on him going and I will switch. I'm not voting Lift though. He is definitely town and is the only living player where I am absolutely sure about that. Bler is close. I would say in his case I'm 99% sure that he is town.
Posted July 26, 2018
I am approving a 24 hour extension. As such, the new deadline is July 27 at 23:00 UTC, which is 35 hours and 15 minutes from now.

Short of substantial input from Damnation and elebutterfly starting before the original deadline, the most appropriate course of action appears to be modkills. This is not something I am at all keen to do, but given the circumstances it may be necessary.

(Not at a computer, so awkward to insert pings. If someone wants to add those that would be appreciated, but I'll be messaging this to the two of them anyway.)
Post edited July 26, 2018 by PoppyAppletree
Posted July 26, 2018
Emergency presence post - working on it, apologies. Perfectly understand if modkill is necessary to presever the game but I hope it won't be.
Posted July 26, 2018
Shiiiit, no modkills please, come on you two!

Ok, my post-game bragging pick is trent, ZFR and Book/Joe(GF). Book is pushing so hard for Joe's lynch that I think Joe flipping GF would clear Book in my eyes and Book flipping scum would clear Joe.

Certainly if Joe was GF and thought he'd been copped, that might have been enough for him to decide to claim the NK as vig. Bonus points for luring the cop out. It seems risky but possible.

I think Joe's lynch would certainly be informative and even if he flips town it would help to solidify my reads going into tomorrow.
Posted July 26, 2018
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Bookwyrm627: -He makes his claim and simultaneously votes Trent, apparently his towniest read, then suddenly pivots to Lift, his scummiest read.
Because at the time it appeared that Trent had been blocked, and a night kill had been prevented. So I voted for Trent, because, despite what I'd thought of his playstyle, the mechanics seemed to indicate that he was scummm. Immediately after that I noticed that the flavour states "TWO IN THE FRONT and six in the back". Whether I shot him in the head or not; my result makes it clear that I only approached the body from behind and ran away as soon as I'd shot (six times apparently). There's no other explaination for the phrase "two in the front and six in the back".


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Bookwyrm627: -Post 1264: "Those who woke up to day three thinking "but we thought Bler was going to get ded,"
And how do YOU know who scum were planning to kill?
WHOOPS YOU CAUGHT ME YES! We were trying to kill Bler! I am the mafia Godfather! Which I why when I woke up to Day Three and discovered I'd killed Flubbucket in the night by shooting him twice in the front and then six times in the back (I requested that of PoppyAppletree specifically) I panicked, wondering why I'd chosen to kill Flubbucket and not Bler as I had chosen to, so I thought THE ONLY WAY OUT OF THIS ONE IS TO BEGIN SEEDING AN ELABORATE VIGILANTE FALSE-CLAIM THAT INCRIMINATES TRENT BUT once I'd done that I suddenly remembered that TRENT IS ON MY CYLON TEAM! QUICKLY! There was only one thing to do. I immediately pulled the most daring and brilliant stunt anybody's ever attempted in a mafia game - the old 'pick a really significant looking piece of flavour and have everybody get all hooked up over whether it's important or not and then have the town cop out himself to protect you.' The plan was perfect and we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for your IRREFUTABLE LOGIC GREAT WORK THERE HONEYBUNS.


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Bookwyrm627: -If he's town, then he has done boop all with his vote pretty much all game, in addition to being useless in game solving.
About the voting - do you not think you're taking the data without looking at the context? ZFR was a viable wagon for the entirety of Day One - I wanted him lynched. Why would changing my vote have benefitted town? I only changed my vote when Damnation (with less than ten minutes until the deadline) picked which wagon he was going to vote for: By that point it was too late I missed the deadline. What with Cristi's town flip, what would the benefit be of me deliberately delaying my Crist vote until after the deadline (as most of you seem to think I did argh it's enfuriating!!)
Day Two - I'd mistakenly read too much into ZFR's claim and decided he shouldn't be lynched. I supported the Cristi lynch which was running perfectly well on its own. I could have voted to try and show my suspicion of someone else, but while I support the current lynchwagon there'd be no real benefit.

In these situations, what would you prefer I'd have done with my vote?

I'm currently voting for Lifthrasil, who has support for his wagon and I think is a likely scum. Would you like me to unvote and vote someone else just so that I don't get accused of camping on Lifthrasil's wagon all of Day Three?

I know that you have been undeniably excellent and perfect at game solving, and I'm sorry I can't do what you can.


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Lifthrasil: Emergency backup lynch: trent, because he being blocked might be the reason that there wasn't a second NK, if Joe is town.
I can't see any way that "Two in the front and six in the back" isn't indication that flubbucket was killed twice (as it were). If you're trusting me, you've also got to trust that Trent didn't do the night kill last night (doesn't mean he's not mafia.)


What would brigging me do to the votes Day Four? Assuming we lynch today and there's a kill tonight we start Day Four with 8 players - first to five votes get lunch? With someone in the brig it's first to four votes.


Bookwyrm's backwards logic and tunneling - is it too passionate to be cylon pushing? But with a play as dreadful as mine I suppose anybody would be forgiven for going after me with all they've got so the cylons can do whatever they want I suppose.

Lifthrasil I'm still happy with as a lynch.

I just remembered Trent's non-confirmation of the block. Of course at the time I thought it was an instant denial that he'd been caught doing the night kill. Now I'm looking at is as a cylon who took no actions last night trying to appear as a town vanilla.

Then of course there's the frakking possibility that SirP is cylon...


(Bookwyrm - sorry for the sarcastic monologue. I know it's exactly the sort of thing that has been getting you worked up - being hilarious instead of good at the game. I just can't help it :p)
Posted July 26, 2018
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SirPrimalform: Certainly if Joe was GF and thought he'd been copped, that might have been enough for him to decide to claim the NK as vig. Bonus points for luring the cop out. It seems risky but possible.
WHUTT???

Why would I think I'd been copped? Why would I think a cop would come to rescue me even if I had been?
Posted July 26, 2018
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SirPrimalform: and Book/Joe(GF)
Wait, we can do that? Then I add /trent next to "ele(GF)" for mine.
Posted July 26, 2018
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ZFR: Definitely not: Joe
Why not Joe?

Also, why Ele?
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