Posted July 23, 2018
ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted July 24, 2018
Flub was an obvious block: For a cylon who knew he was town: his playstyle might be hiding a power role, but no-one could argue that flub wasn't suspicious. For a crewmember: He's flubbucket. He's just changed his picture to a frakking toaster! Basically begging to be seen as scum.
Trenton less obvious. For a Crewmember: As SirP says, perhaps assuming ZFR is town was a scum slip. For a Cylon: Perhaps assuming ZFR is town was a cop slip. In which case, better block him and pretend it was 'cause I thought he was scum!
make sense? I find that quite compelling.
ALSO - I'm wondering about 'Crew Captain'. PoppyAppletree said she was going to mess with the Cylon characters to avoid spoilers: So far all of the flips have been season 1-friendly. I know Kara becoming a captain isn't a huge spoiler, and if PoppyAppletree was concerned about that level of detail, she may even have forgotten Starbuck was ever anything but a captain (How significant is the event, someone who's seen the series?
SirP didn't mention his Crew Position until long after the initial claim (I couldn't really believe we'd missed it at the time.) If you were asked to claim, and your rank was 'Cylon Booze-n-Frakksmachine' you might look at 'Crew Lieutenant' and 'Crew Commander', go look up Starbuck's rank, see that it's captain and put that.
DANG I guess I can still read SirP as EITHER Crew or Cylon. HOW INCREDIBLY USEFUL THANKS FOR THAT JOE.
Also Bler has a way of seeming to speak for everybody and seeming very sure of himself. At least that's how I'm reading him. Basically it's nothing he's DOING it's just stupid instinct or whatever and I suck at this game.
Why take someone with a reasonable amount of suspicion off the table?
There are at least a couple of players with a decent town cred who could have been knocked off like Vitek N1, were they not because they're actually scum?
Why not hit SPF? With cristi flipping town his role does look less likely to be town aligned too.
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From that POV the flub NK is curious. Gotta think about that.
Maybe it is as simple as mafia thinking he was the cop, though I don't know what would make a cop any more or less likely to believe a backup of his/her role existed.
The other thing that's strange is when flub was pushed early game he did the whole "go ahead and lynch me IDGAF!" bit. He doesn't do that as cop as I recall, WIFOM and all.
....which...is interesting.
Or maybe they just thought he gave the least info on flip, but I don't really see that. Esp. since unless someone sat on a SPF counterclaim through those last 48-60 hours of D2, leaving him alive kinda left SPF in doubt, and the flip looks clearing to me.
My current FAVES to be mafia are: SirP/Trent and Bler.
OBVS SirP and Trent cannot be buddies. Bler could be buddies with either.
Hm. Or can Trent and SirP be buddies? If you were a scum roleblocker would you claim to have blocked your buddy? I guess probably NO because then someone else might be all "Hey I got blocked last night you frakking toaster scum!" and that would probably be the end of you. Unless you deliberately went without blocking for a night just to set up the scene. I can't see SirP doing this though...
HM INTRIGUING Day Three should be fun.
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted July 24, 2018
My current FAVES to be mafia are: SirP/Trent and Bler.
OBVS SirP and Trent cannot be buddies. Bler could be buddies with either.
Hm. Or can Trent and SirP be buddies? If you were a scum roleblocker would you claim to have blocked your buddy? I guess probably NO because then someone else might be all "Hey I got blocked last night you frakking toaster scum!" and that would probably be the end of you. Unless you deliberately went without blocking for a night just to set up the scene. I can't see SirP doing this though...
Other than that I can't really read SPF, but I was hoping that you know him better than I do. It has been ages since I played with you two!
@Yogs: that's also a reply to you. On D1 I had the feeling that SPF is scum. On D2 not so much. He could be both. Right now the most scummy thing about him is the fact that he survived another Night. A claimed PR shouldn't survive that long, if it's a town PR. But then again it might be WIFOM as was pointed out on D2 already. Roleblocker is a role that can easily backfire for town and is therefore not as dangerous to scum as other roles. So scum might actually have decided to try to get the cop first - and went for flub, because they thought he had a PR. So, even though he still lives SPF could be town.
But let me retaliate: what's your read on Joe? You've played with him before, haven't you? He is just as unreadable for me as the Sir.
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted July 24, 2018
With ZFR, that makes 3/3 wolfy answers.
@Lift, I've never played with Joe before, but I enjoy reading him. He seems like a pip. So there's that. I have no alignment vibes specifically, though.
I feel that old familiar feeling of just hanging out, waiting for half the player list to arrive...
...
Is this the place to point out that the only other player scum-reading SPF is now composting out back?
trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted July 24, 2018
I will also say that I got no indication what so ever that anyone visited me last night.
bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted July 24, 2018
To me the most interesting thing about trent is two-fold:
1) He hasn't done anything at all that I would describe as notably towny, that I can recall. Just trent-y.
2) he's the one person who really could fit on pretty much any hypothetical team. There's literally no one he could not be W/W with.
Right, so we have "Town Backup Cop" and "Town Miller" huh.
I really should be better prepared for the way we do things 'round these parts.
"Town Rolebocker"?
*sigh*
...Nvm, I'll tell you later.
And with SirP, do you think then that town has no protection roles at all? Or you just think that after cristi's claim and flip there's no counterclaim at all because some towny out there is going "Yeah, maybe we do have a cop, a backup cop, an RB, and my protection role too plus the brig! Wait - i figured it out. There's no cop at all! Thaaaat's how it balances!"
I mean, we've got two lynches left, maaaybe 3. Personally if there is another protection role out there I don't see the upside to leaving SirP unchallenged on hopes you can get a block in a setup that presumably has at least a 1xStrongbad.
Do you want to reconsider this stance, or you're pretty locked in here?
I am a bit curious - yesterday you were all on board with being brigged as in town's best interest. What exactly has changed now from your POV? Spending one night in there doesn't fundamentally change your slot, does it?
Spoiler alert: it's JoeS.
Ok, I guess.
Half of my posts contain something just to amuse myself. I would agree that was hyperbole, yes. ;)
And if you'd been here D1 instead of HSL we could have lynched him, but now it's just baked in.
Plus, I get where he's coming from - the madness has started to set in so the occasional funny is needed. HSL is wolfy but apparently somehow town...SPF is bizarre, but apparently somehow town.
What're ya gonna do? Except maybe just give yourself up.
Well I don't like your first post
followed by your subsequent lack of aaaaaany votes at all the rest of the game that actually count.
But, you know, I'm sure we both have our reasons.
The answer to your question is yogs who would absolutely totally walk into night chat not having read the game and decide flub is probably cop. So sure, I was baiting yogs a bit.
But literally, you have 0 other votes besides your ZFR RVS vote where you literally said "It is also good to vote town yada yada!" and you're giving me crap about wondering why flub if they're cop hunting? I mean, you're not even voting me.
lulz
hoooow am I town reading you? sigh.
also
vote yogsloth
PoppyAppletree
"New" "User"
Registered: Jan 2010
From Other
Posted July 24, 2018
The "I wish I was a cyborg" votecount.
Lynch:
Lifthrasil - 2 (trentonlf, adaliaBookwyrms)
adaliaBookwyrms - 1 (ZFR)
yogsloth - 1 (bler144)
None - 6 (yogsloth, elebutterfly, JoeSapphire, SirPrimalform, Damnation, Lifthrasil)
Brig:
Damnation - 1 (adaliaBookwyrms)
None - 9 (yogsloth, elebutterfly, JoeSapphire, SirPrimalform, Damnation, Lifthrasil, trentonlf, bler144, ZFR)
With 10 active players, it takes 6 votes to reach a consensus.
Lynch:
Lifthrasil - 2 (trentonlf, adaliaBookwyrms)
adaliaBookwyrms - 1 (ZFR)
yogsloth - 1 (bler144)
None - 6 (yogsloth, elebutterfly, JoeSapphire, SirPrimalform, Damnation, Lifthrasil)
Brig:
Damnation - 1 (adaliaBookwyrms)
None - 9 (yogsloth, elebutterfly, JoeSapphire, SirPrimalform, Damnation, Lifthrasil, trentonlf, bler144, ZFR)
With 10 active players, it takes 6 votes to reach a consensus.
bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted July 24, 2018
Oh, right.
brig Trent
brig Trent
trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted July 24, 2018
And with SirP, do you think then that town has no protection roles at all? Or you just think that after cristi's claim and flip there's no counterclaim at all because some towny out there is going "Yeah, maybe we do have a cop, a backup cop, an RB, and my protection role too plus the brig! Wait - i figured it out. There's no cop at all! Thaaaat's how it balances!"
I mean, we've got two lynches left, maaaybe 3. Personally if there is another protection role out there I don't see the upside to leaving SirP unchallenged on hopes you can get a block in a setup that presumably has at least a 1xStrongbad.
Do you want to reconsider this stance, or you're pretty locked in here?
I have no idea what town roles there are, I have not been focusing on possible roles in the game. Sounds like you are role hunting though, so I will go with you over Joe for the last scum.
I find it interesting how you are trying to justify that SirPrimalform needs to be left alive just in case he gets lucky enough to block scum, or I'm really thinking you want him left alive so your buddy can get the chance to block the cop, You know I'm right, just admit it. You will feel much better getting it off of your chest.
Pretty locked in.
bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted July 24, 2018
And with SirP, do you think then that town has no protection roles at all? Or you just think that after cristi's claim and flip there's no counterclaim at all because some towny out there is going "Yeah, maybe we do have a cop, a backup cop, an RB, and my protection role too plus the brig! Wait - i figured it out. There's no cop at all! Thaaaat's how it balances!"
I mean, we've got two lynches left, maaaybe 3. Personally if there is another protection role out there I don't see the upside to leaving SirP unchallenged on hopes you can get a block in a setup that presumably has at least a 1xStrongbad.
Do you want to reconsider this stance, or you're pretty locked in here?
I have no idea what town roles there are, I have not been focusing on possible roles in the game. Sounds like you are role hunting though, so I will go with you over Joe for the last scum.
I find it interesting how you are trying to justify that SirPrimalform needs to be left alive just in case he gets lucky enough to block scum, or I'm really thinking you want him left alive so your buddy can get the chance to block the cop, You know I'm right, just admit it. You will feel much better getting it off of your chest.
Pretty locked in.
ok. Nice dodge.
bler144
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Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted July 24, 2018
Oh gee.
bler is voting for me.
O outrageous fortune, how could I have predicted thee?
bler is voting for me.
O outrageous fortune, how could I have predicted thee?
bler144
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Registered: Dec 2013
From United States