Happy new year everyone. May we all play several fun games of Mafia (or others) in 2024. Hope everyone gets to look back at the end of the year with few moments of sadness and lots of happiness and love.

I got a message from Dedo, whom I messaged a while ago with an invitation to play with us in this very game. He said he was quite busy lately but hopefully not for long.
He also wished us a happy New year and asked me to let everyone know he wished them good luck. I decided to post this in the Admin thread... only to discover I was a bit late :)

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Well this is interesting. It occurred to me as soon as I read CatV's flip that maybe the reason that you did a 180º flip on your views of her faster than Tony Hawk in a skate at the beginning of D2 was because she chose to message you on N1. If that was the case my possible "gotcha" at the end of D2 would have been based in nothing scummy. BUT you just told us that is not the case so I can't ignore your extreme turnaround.

My working theory right now is that you are scum and the rolecop targeted her on N1, and upon discovering her role you decided it was best to buddy with her because trying to lynch her would definitely not end well for you.

Well my two reads are "either scene is desperate to throw accusations at anyone and hoping something will stick, or he can't read". Atlo's set of possibilities ends with the rolecop.
I will roll with the latter read (which is NAI) because I can't imagine you'd believe no one would notice Atlo's post contains the theory where the rolecop discovers her.
BTW I have another possibility to add: Maybe Catventurer was chosen to make me look bad and help get you lynching me. It works great for Scum if you're one of them and works even better if you're Town because in that case we have a conflict of TxT at MiLo.

And explain it I will. I did find something really odd about Scene's sudden turnaround, like you can read below:

While I was ISOing GR/MKW I read one post where he responds to Scene and noticed that oddity in Scene's behavior with about 3 hours to EoD. I wanted people to reply if there was enough time and interest in a wagon of Scene, but I admit I didn't believe I would get enough "YES" in what little time we had left. In which case I would have to commit to one of the established wagons. Those were Yog's (who I was townreading) and Lift (who I didn't yet have an opinion of).
So while I was ISOing Lift he himself put Yog at L-1 and Scene hammered despite me telling him (#203) to wait a bit more for me to reread Lift. I even asked for a bump in the admin thread, but Scene hammered right away. I didn't have the time to end the ISO or change my vote to anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if that was also a factor in Scene's choice of moment to hammer.

They're not? *sadpanda*

Silliness aside, day 2 is a rare example of me putting effort into the game(in a number of my early games i'd be a wee bit lazy....skim reading a bunch while 'sinking my teeth' into anything that seemed suspect while missing some other things players said/did).

Good point.....would a scum!me really do a read/lean on a player my team had NKd the previous night? I know, I know....LAMIST....but something worth pondering, I believe?

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The above aside, I would like to voice a thing or three to everyone stele playing:
I am getting similar vibes on scene, especially after:
The whole EOD for D2(hammer and whatnot)
CatV gettinbg laid off during N2, and today Scene saying(post 220) they were the target of CatV's message
Scene seeming to be trying to paint Atlo as the next suspect of choice with post 223?

As such:
Vote Scene

(yeah, yeah, we gotta be careful....but I honestly think this is the right choice. If we follow through with this and Scene ends up non-scum everyone may feel free to pelt me with rotten fromatoes. If we don't and I somehow get a wagon on me and end up being laid off, I will be sure to pelt everyone with same in my bah post)

INTERIM VOTECOUNT

supplementscene (1) - GamezRanker (MrKrabsWallet)


Not voting:
- Lifthrasil
- joppo
- Atlo
- supplementscene
- Microfish

Note: I don't count new votes made within quotes for safety.

Addition

According to the mafia wiki, Friendly Neighbor is a one-shot...i.e. they can only message one player of their choosing one time. So then why does Scene(who says CatV messaged them on N2) ponder whom CatV might've messaged on N1?

You weren't expecting it, but suddenly, Johan just popped again into the chat, a day after he met Price. He was typing. For a long while.

In the meantime, Joey took the opportunity to speak. "Nikolay, Nikolay. I find it odd that you ousted both Miriam and Manny. Feeling a bit bold, aren't you?"

In the meantime, Nikolay responded... In Russian. Completely forgetting that only he understood the language in his group. And then for a brief second, he realized his mistake. "Oh, right, sorry, I kinda got carried away."

And finally, Johan's message drops. And immediately after, he left the chat as soon as she appeared. "Thanks Stuart. Not because you did anything nice, mind you, but because of all the cool friendships I made. I hope you're happy with your choices. For everyone else, I'm glad to be in your company. Hit me up anytime <3"

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TUESDAY VOTECOUNT

supplementscene (1) - GamezRanker (MrKrabsWallet)

supplementscene is closest to lynch at L-3

Not voting:
- Lifthrasil
- joppo
- Atlo
- supplementscene
- Microfish

Note: I don't count new votes made within quotes for safety.

(underlining mine)Fair enough

About that: just because CatV messaged you, that doesn't make you certified town.
(but i'm guessing you know that already)

Maybe because we're two different players with different mindsets?

You say you only looked at the setup/etc briefly, yet posts of yours (like post#224) make it seem like you have done more than quickly glance at the setup. As such, I still feel it's more likely you're stinging us along.

Also, I feel it odd...you claim to be town, yet you're still in the game and not laid off yet.
If you are town then why haven't scum come and voted/hammered you in the time my vote and now?

But to be super safe
Unvote Scene

For now, anyways.....

Oh yeah, almost forgot....as Pooka has pointed out, your vote for Joppo in post 226 doesn't count so you need to redo it
(just a quick head's up, if you missed those bits in Pooker's vote count updates)

Or you are scum?
But i have you leaning town.

Joppo & GR actually do a fair bit of deductive questioning of scene and, while I like it, I'm concerned. are they bussing Scene?
What would scummates Scene and Joppo gain by starting today at each others throats? In a game where they suppose themselves to be one mislunch away from winning (which is possible, as Yogs pointed out, but not guaranteed), why would they turn on each other like this?
note: Joppo doesn't actually vote here (so far). Scene doesn't vote, either. Likelihood of them not being scummates is...80% Well, actually 75% as I know I'm not scum. I would guess that GR and Joppo are pointing out Scene's scummyiness, but GR has been riding coattales also, not doing immense whole lot OC, as Atlo pointed out.

@Atlo, if you are scum, i tip my hat to you. As of now, you have convinced me that you are town.

Lift is on mute toDay, so far. He needs to find the unmute button on his computer!

Note: GR unvoted shortly after being on a votecount. This could be sneaky, in order to show himself on the votecount if someone lazily later looks.

I'm vaguely seeing a GR & Scen team, or a Lift and Scene team; Lift's awfully quiet so far tis Day.

So we have these conflicts

Scene vs Joppo; Joppo returns fire.
Atlo mildly accuses GR
GR sees and ignores this to vote

I'm falling asleep and know I'm missing something vital but idk what.

So... the current situation from the view I'm having is:

I point out how town!scene overlooking, or suggesting, depends on how you want to look at it, that I didn't think about mafia having a rolecop -- that that is not a typical town!scene move.
→ Scene is suddenly convinced I am scum. Casts a vote on joppo. (I know it doesn't actually count, but only because of Pooka's ''I don't count votes made within quotes.'')
→ My scummiest suspect casts a vote on scene. (Later retracted.)
→ My second scummiest suspect also accuses scene of being scum.


Day 3 is off to a good start I see!! <_>

Virtually the only good news are:

Microfish has awoken from his slumber! \o/
Both GR & joppo had the courtesy to answer my questions. =] thank you

Lift, though, is unfortunatly still AFK. :<

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Will post something hopefully/probably during the night.

Scene actually did vote....in post 226, for Joppo....albeit it wasn't counted by Pooka as it was within a quote.

As I said in earlier posts, I have a somewhat tendency to skim posts(especially bigger ones). So it's less riding coat tails and more that I have had similar feelings/conclusions in a number of my posts(though not all of them).

In part I did this because of some of my usual double thinking...like "what if i'm wrong like with Yogs?" kinda stuffs. I might still vote em later, or maybe someone else if they snag my interest over scene....dunno yet.

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Joey checks to make sure no one is looking, and when he's sure no one (prolly) is, he adds a small nip of whiskey to his coffee. "Just what the doctor ordered" he thinks to himself, as he sits back down for a bit.

Apologies. Unfortunately the day didn't go as I had expected and I have nothing -substantial- to contribute. ;(
I do have a few conspiracy theories though... the thing about about them though is - on one hand they are rather far fetched... on the other hand - maybe they are not so far fetched after all and a few conspiracy theories is exactly what we need.

I'll mull over the more reasonable ones during the night and will post them in 1 big* post tomorrow.

*relatively speaking

CatVenturer is a smart girl but she's not infallible, you know. I could probably pick a dozen times a smart Townie vouched for a scum!player only in the few games I played. In fact, a few games ago I was the one that stupidly did just that to scum!Catte and handed him and Micro the game in a silver platter.

So, sorry but your "proof" of towniness isn't enough to brand you an IC.

Well, I realized Yog was Town as well but you're not giving me the same accolades :)
But maybe that is just because they're not related to me giving you my trust, which she did.

I only answer for myself. I did think your 180º turn was too fast to be natural. Which is why I will

vote scene now.

To be fair tho, you're my best lead right now but I am willing to follow other trails. I hope we can get Lift's input soon. He may have noticed something else.

I agree that a team of me and Scene is completely unlikely. But I guess I'll leave this sort of analysis of which pairs make more or less sense for after finding the first scum. Right now it won't help us find the first scum and you'd end up analyzing 15 different pairs. If we find scum toDay you can start toMorrow analyzing which of the 4 players remaining would make most sense in a team with the dead... ops I mean fired scum.

I hadn't noticed what you saw in GR's unvote above and it has merit but it's fairly weakened by the fact that he simply can't predict when will be Pooka's next votecount. If GR had devised that plan his vote could wait for a whole day or more until the next count. So I just don't think it was a scum ploy.

Sorry. I missed that the game restarted. I'll catch up.