Good cases being made against dedo. I would support a mass claim at this point and think dedo should go first.

One again we are at opposing sides here. I don't see any benefit in claiming for myself (it won't save me from getting lynched anyway) nor for Town. Although I doubt it there is still a tiny possibility something useful hides that may end up making a difference so there is no reason expose that and give the last scum any bit of information to work with.


I'm not appealing to emotion. If you haven't read or haven't understood what I wrote I'm not trying to divert my lynch in any way. I've already said where I believe people should look Tomorrow so in terms of me helping out the Town as much as I can Today - I've done that. Your tunnel vision and reluctance to consider different angles and possibilities is just something I wasn't fond of in your play in particular which otherwise I had interest following even though it reached a point of being straight up annoying in the way you went out of your way to behave. The sheer conviction you showed in your quest to prove your point even though you'll turn out to be wrong is a throwback for me to a similar situation which ended up in the same way I'm requesting now (well, hopefully this time the general outcome would be different). If you're in fact scum then my hat off to you and no hard feelings on my part.


I like how you say you "want" me to start as if you have any leverage to enforce that :)

You would?

@Yog, you still want to do a mass claim? Joppo?

If everyone thinks that's what needs to be done - fine. I'll go first, too, but only if it's a unanimous decision.

Where do I imply that? I can want a lot of things that I can't enforce. I want to be a millionaire. I want a working Star Trek transporter. I want to win the game. ... Well, there is a good chance of the latter I think.

It's funny how you misread me, which is something you usually don't do. Might that be connected to you being in a corner? ;-)

It's also funny how you build alternative cases against others, just in case that everyone does turn around and lynches me, right? Because you know that I would flip Town, so you have to have a backup suspicion built up. Like saying that you have something on CatV, which you won't share yet...

You said "I want you to start" which implies entitlement. I find it amusing, that's all.

Come on now, we're past this dance in this particular game.

I find nothing funny in that. I am being lynched Today and I'm flipping Town Today. I don't care for anyone turning around and lynching you. As you see I'm not even voting for you nor making a case for a you-vs-me lynch Today. Why do you keep bringing that up after you yourself suggested I go first and it's your turn Tomorrow when you'll supposedly present Telika or CatV a well-deserved win? I stated numerous times that I agree I'm the more sensible lynch and more importantly - we can afford that. But you keep trying to make your point sound that much more valid. Why?

You also said it's customary to let someone make their claim before getting lynched. Since when it isn't customary to ask someone what they think just in case the game keeps going?

Come on, Lift. You're smarter than that. We both know there is no case in this world I can build if somehow you get lynched Today and not me and you turn up Town.

I'm not sharing it before the game ends even if it means it has lost us the game in the end, so there is no pointing at barking that particular tree.

See, that is something that Town-dedo wouldn't do. If you were Town and you were sure that you're going to be Today's lynch, you would share all information and theories you have, so that your fellow Townies can work with it. The fact that you hold it back probably means that it is bogus and isn't really finished yet. So you just through out there that there might be a case against Catv, without saying what it is. Just to keep up appearances.

Yeah, we should probably mass claim.

I would suggest an order of dedo->lift->catv->Telika->catte

Any way you slice it, though, I suspect mafia team got hosed. Even if Town only has two masons, cop, and bodyguard, that's a crap ton of power against a godfather/goon/?

Doesn't look like even had a roleblocker, or Atlo never would have gotten off that Joe shot.

It's not something GOG forum Mafia player dedo would do and he trumps the other guy, sorry. I may point it out after the game is over and IF Joppo turns out to be the last scum as it needs addressing but only then as this isn't how the game is supposed to be played. Also, I do hope it's nothing. So let's forget it. Also, do not try to refer to it Tomorrow!

I have already shared everything I think is of value for the Town.

I'm flipping soon so I'm not the one who needs to keep appearances lol. Why do you keep pretending Today's wagon isn't clear at this point? Just to keep up appearances?


I hope it is indeed you so I'll share a little meme I made just now which I find hilarious. If somehow it isn't I myself will turn out to be a F*cking Dumbass™ but at least I won't be the only one so why not :)

Regardless of outcome, I approve of this meme.

unvote dedoporno

I don't want any quickhammer ding-dongs

And yet, if Catte is a lurky duplicate godfather, Town didn't stand a chance.

Balancing is hard.

Anyway, your sequence is also the sequence I expect the lynches to go. If Dedo was town (truly believing in Lifth being scum), he'd be overjoyced : he has won. If Cat/Jop or Catte are mafia, they can also consider the game won at this point. I doubt anything will make it deviate from its course.

Only thing interesting at this point would be some role result info. strenghtening or weakening assumptions, I doubt anything else could derail the current momentum.

Pretty much exactly this.

If the last scum is dedo or lift, Town has already won.

If the last scum is anybody else, Mafia has already won.

Barring any claim info, which I am not expecting to actually happen.

Note that if Pooka designed a game with two mafia godfathers, I will staple an American flag to his butt and mail him to Iran.

Not much to add here, but I entertained the thought of neutrals for a minute and realized that neutral!Catte is a possibility too, depending on how Pooka chose to handle cops targeting neutrals. The most common approach is a "Not guilty" result which doesn't differentiate townies and neutrals.
This is just a musing, tho. I didn't see anything so far that would point to a neutral!Catte .

So do I. I also recommend the order Yog suggested in #787.

lol that is a pretty funny idea :-D

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