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Posted November 10, 2022
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yogsloth: and every townie has something and this is just a straight role madness game.
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dedoporno: FrostburnPhoenix begs to differ.
Oh yeah, I missed this, the Day 1 yeet, whoops

OK so at least one vanilla

so no role madness


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JoeSapphire: scene targeted atlo
Predictable, but disappointing nonetheless
Posted November 10, 2022
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Telika: But frankly... Imagine if I was wrong.
No need to imagine. I know for a fact you were at least partially wrong.

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Telika: That would mean that either Cat or Lifth are scum (or, even less likely, both, with Joe town). Meaning I'm not only wrong about you but also about them. What's your townie theory ? Catv ? Joe? Lifth ?
Yes. Yesterday I was most suspicious of Catte, Joe, Lift and Buck. Initially I had a thing against CatV but 1) it didn't seem anyone else shared my view on the matter and 2) CatV made such a scene about it that I just took it for granted. If it turns out this was just a AtE act I spit on that as I don't have respect for such type of plays and will make it a personal mission to persecute CatV in every single game we play together with extreme prejudice and I'll care for no excuses whatsoever.

Anyway, Catte, Joe, Lift and Buck. No one wanted to go for Lift, so that leaves the other 3. I re-added Buck to my list of suspects after PoE since scum ARE somewhere and too many people appeared Town or at least non-scum. Joe claimed Tracker, no one contested him so I pushed buck with Atlo and Joe. You came in fourth and buck claimed Cop. Then Atlo countered him and cleared Catte.

To me this means that Lift and/or Joe are scum.

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Telika: You do mention Lifth, can you point out where he was hindered town's investigation ?
Scum don't necessarily need to mess up Town's play if the Town are headed in a wrong direction by themselves. Scum!Lift also has a way of finding "excuses" to persecute Townies masked as scumhunting/good reasoning when the target does or says something unpopular. This works especially well when there are Townies that are on his side. Even Today he's trying to make me stupider than he knows very well I am only because the most vocal and relentless player (supposedly a Townie) is feeding him options for it. That's why I think it's him.

As for Joe - I thought he was more likely Town when he claimed but Atlo's Cop makes me doubt that as I agree the scum have to be pretty powerful themselves to face off a Cop, a Tracker, a Bodyguard and Masons.
Posted November 10, 2022
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dedoporno: Yes. Yesterday I was most suspicious of Catte, Joe, Lift and Buck. Initially I had a thing against CatV but 1) it didn't seem anyone else shared my view on the matter and 2) CatV made such a scene about it that I just took it for granted. If it turns out this was just a AtE act I spit on that as I don't have respect for such type of plays and will make it a personal mission to persecute CatV in every single game we play together with extreme prejudice and I'll care for no excuses whatsoever.
I had to look up AtE - what do you mean by "appeal to emotion?"
Posted November 10, 2022
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JoeSapphire: i tracked scene,
Predictable, but disappointing nonetheless

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dedoporno: To me this means that Lift and/or Joe are scum.
Let's clarify this. Lifth and Joe are you two current potential suspects.

How many mafiosi would you say are left ? One, two ?

Do you consider that Lifth or Joe could be innocent ?
Posted November 10, 2022
to me it looks like here we are mechanically

CONFIRMED: Yogs (by other mason)
CONFIRMED: Atlo (by godfather)
CONFIRMED: Catte (by atlo)

UNKNOWN Catv
UNKNOWN Lifth
UNKNOWN Joe
UNKNOWN Telika
UNKNOWN Dedop

^ one op whom is either confirmed town or outed mafia by atlo.

Of the unknowns I think telika and dedo are pretty convincingly town, (but i will defer to atlo's expertise if he disagrees).

Actually now that i look at it it's not necessarily as in-the-bag as i first thought. I mean it's looking pretty good but after buck's flip I was just like 'well surely we've won!'
Posted November 10, 2022
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Catventurer: I had to look up AtE - what do you mean by "appeal to emotion?"
and [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_78_regular_japanese_classroom/post375]#375. I left you alone because of this.


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Telika: How many mafiosi would you say are left ? One, two ?
It should be 2 left but there may be some shenanigans or a Neutral so it's not entirely impossible to be just 1 real scum who was buck's partner. My last game had only 2 mafia but also a Serial Killer who couldn't kill until later in the game. There may be something else that is supposed to balance out their numbers - some people consider the daychat half a player but I think that's very situational and not enough on its own. I also entertained the idea of having 2 scum both of which are Godfathers or as Atlo mentioned earlier - one inheriting the title from the other. I've seen games with multiple Godfathers but back then they were leading opposing scum factions so I don't know if and how viable this is. I'm sure you'll now accuse me of scumclearing Joe but that could be one reason why there is both a Cop and a Tracker.

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Telika: Do you consider that Lifth or Joe could be innocent ?
Sure, especially if buck wasn't the only Godfather in the game. Then the scum can easily be anyone of the Town acting players or the Cop-cleared Catte.
Posted November 10, 2022
Eh, let me try this again.

The links in #696 should look like this:

#373

and

#375

Going to bed now as it's 2:30AM here.
Posted November 10, 2022
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Catventurer: I had to look up AtE - what do you mean by "appeal to emotion?"
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dedoporno: and [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_78_regular_japanese_classroom/post375]#375. I left you alone because of this.
About that post. It's not an emotional appeal and clearly it's not what you think it is.
Don't look at what I'm actually saying. Read between the lines.
That's all that I'm going to say for now.
Posted November 10, 2022
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JoeSapphire: My role is tracker, i observed telika night 1, i don't think telika is scum.
Now, before I claim (if we're heading to mass claims), could you explain this - what you saw and why it lead to this conclusion ?
Posted November 10, 2022
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JoeSapphire: My role is tracker, i observed telika night 1, i don't think telika is scum.
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Telika: Now, before I claim (if we're heading to mass claims), could you explain this - what you saw and why it lead to this conclusion ?
oh yeah we didn't do this yesterday did we? telika didn't go anywhere, i think he's town from his behaviour and nothing in my thorough investigation suggests otherwise
Posted November 10, 2022
Hmpf. Okay, that is true.
Posted November 10, 2022
nah just kidding i made it up

:p
Posted November 10, 2022
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dedoporno: It should be 2 left but there may be some shenanigans or a Neutral so it's not entirely impossible to be just 1 real scum who was buck's partner. My last game had only 2 mafia but also a Serial Killer who couldn't kill until later in the game. There may be something else that is supposed to balance out their numbers - some people consider the daychat half a player but I think that's very situational and not enough on its own. I also entertained the idea of having 2 scum both of which are Godfathers or as Atlo mentioned earlier - one inheriting the title from the other. I've seen games with multiple Godfathers but back then they were leading opposing scum factions so I don't know if and how viable this is. I'm sure you'll now accuse me of scumclearing Joe but that could be one reason why there is both a Cop and a Tracker.
I also seen games where the Godfather had the ability to recruit more mafia, but that would be pretty overpowered in a twelve person game.

Also on Day 2, all you did was pull me off of voting for Joe. When I checked the thread more, a bunch of people had already jumped off. If we're going to accuse you of scumclearing, then it would also be warranted to throw suspicion on everyone else that jumped off the Joe wagon. "OMG, they mislead Dedo." No, I'm really not willing to go to either place.

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What I think we should do is wait for Alto to announce who he investigated. If it was a town-aligned person, I think he would have said so right off so as to not waste everyone's time being suspicious of a town-aligned person. This is why I think he found a second mafia-aligned person.

If the mafia-aligned person he found doesn't have any special powers, that's going to tell us that this game cannot have a Bodyguard, Cop, Tracker, and Masons because the majority of the town roles are vanilla.

We know the Masons are real.
We know that the Bodyguard is real.
A tracker and a cop both is going to be far too much.

This means that there is either no cop or no tracker. One is real, and the other is mafia.
Posted November 10, 2022
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JoeSapphire: nah just kidding i made it up

:p
That's a relief.
Posted November 10, 2022
AAAAAAAAAH I DON'T KNOW AND I AGITATE MY ARMS IN THE AIR WITH GLEE AND FRUSTRATION.

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Catventurer: This means that there is either no cop or no tracker. One is real, and the other is mafia.
I don't buy the godfather-without-cop theory (would be too bastard-mod-ey even by my notoriously low standards). I don't buy the scum cop, obviously. I could buy the town tracker or the no tracker (Joe happens to have tracked tonight the player whose movement we all know, and maybe mine were guessable, dunno, others will be judge of that). And I can buy scum tracker very much (speaking as an occasional game host with strong role madness tendencies - I've certainly featured one or two of these in my games).

But also, I doubt Atlo found a mafioso. I didn't get this vibe from his hesitations and questions (638), which seem, all in all, rather oriented in the "could there be a false innocence" direction. So, my hopes aren't extremely high about that (still, if it could clear one of the few resulting suspects, it would be great, and, depending which one, deliciously confusing).

No point in speculating right now but I am a bit impatient and I want Joe and Dedo to be scum but I also want a formidable twist where they are innocent and Cat(te) and Lifth were the real culprits all along and I want to skip ahead but it is late and tomorrow is a busy day and I will miss all the fun except that it will be all there to catch up in one go and it will be awesome but it is far.

(Unrelatedly, Windows Teams is the shittiest shit ever shat.)
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