Away - I'm going to take a shower and will probably end up taking a nap after.

Don't worry. Statistics has nothing to do with it in these games. In Secret Hitler I am Fastcist in way more than 50% of the games. Established over a long line of games both offline and online.

But don't do both at once!


On Day one it's difficult. Because we don't have anything to go by to determine who is evil. We still have to lynch someone, because otherwise we don't get the information that the death of someone would give us. Upon death, the alignment of people is revealed and one can analyze who voted them and what reasons they gave for it. In that way, over the course of the game, a pattern can emerge which can lead to a Town victory.

But on Day one no pattern can exist yet. So you just start with a random vote and look for reactions and if a reaction looks off, you stick to that vote. Or if someone seems overeager to kill you switch the vote to that person. Or whatever strikes you as 'hey, there might be scum motivation behind that vote'.

Take the case of Frostburn vs. Joe. Joe voted - apparently randomly - on a player who would be away for an extended period of time (as stated by the mod). Frostburn took that as reason to place a serious, i.e. non-random vote on Joe, reasoning that Joe's vote on an absent player, who can't fight back, looked suspicious.

But then of course Frostburn looks a bit over-eager in this too. It is a very flimsy reason to base a vote on this early, based merely on a random vote accompanied by a playful remark.

Now you can read Joe's posts and Frostburns posts and try to decide, whether one of them might actually be driven by evil motives ... or whether this is a case of two Townies fighting each other. If you get the impression that one of the two is dishonest in their stated motive for their vote, you vote them and hope for the best.

Interestingly enough, I actually did that once where I was leaning on the window shelf and dozing on/off while trying to take a shower.

Well okay then, why was it serious? What are you inklings into Joe's very limited behaviour so early on?

My perception was that you might be a scum trying to create a wagon on a townee off a small act of irregular behaviour. I can agree Frostburns posts have been a little none sensical but I don't think that is necessarily reflective of his alignment That does seem to make some sense. Like I said the information you were sharing could just be helpful to the town cause. Although it could be you're trying to say your defense of frostburn was in jest is because Scenario B is actually true and you're both Scum. You have both voted for each other now, perhaps as a form of distancing. Or maybe all a conspiracy theory in my head? Probably the latter. But you never know.

OUT OF GAME - sorry to hear you've caught covid in a comprimised state and got bit by a spider. I didn't properly read the sign up thread to come across these things. I'm also suffering from a knee injury that means I struggle to walk with crutches and struggle to even take my shoe on and off for that leg/foot. It's misserable

Can I get a BUMP?

bump

What did I do?

Firstly it wasn't suspicious because buck couldn't fight back but because it could keep the spotlight off Joe. Secondly Joe is not fighting me.

Like I mentioned already: his vote on Buck is dead interaction. By the time Buck gets into the game he will have voted someone else probably.

I mean 11 player games are 6 vs 5, 9 player games are 5 vs 4 and 7 player games are close to 4v3 anyway, which is close to 50%. But if you play more unbalanced games with even numbers I'd question if you're playing none Germans who are stereotyping you because of WW2

Moving the goalpost, there ?

The "small act of irregular behaviour" was, in your first version, an obvious random joke, to which I have answered that it honestly didn't seem random or joke-y to me (as opposed to Joe's, for instance), and which was then confirmed by Frostbite himself. So now that it's established to not be a random joke, it's a small act of irregular behaviour, but pointing it out and voting on it is still more scummy in your eyes than voting based on Joe's actual random vote, and more scummy than voting based on my vote ?

Wish to develop ?

Here I was expecting to have a nice friendly game where I get to interact with everyone and.... You have to go and get wacky again. Once again, I find myself discussing you and nobody else. I'm half convinced that you're intentionally doing it just to have my attention all for yourself.


I'm going to have to refer you to the and [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_game_77_masters_of_the_universe_edition/post1]Masters of the Universe games where Frosty was acting wacky to the point that he may as well have been the most valuable player for team mafia even though he was town-aligned in both games. If you think I was being serious, when I said that Frosty was being wacky again thus must be town-aligned - reread both of those threads in their entirety.

If you're still confused, get back to me after.



This part of my reply should be treated as OOC and separate from the game.

In honor of our mutual misery, here's Philip Quast (as Javert) performing "Stars" from Les Misérables. Technically it's a villain song, but there's something about it that I found to be very motivating to keep going and not give up. As someone in the comments put it, you know a villain song is really great if you can listen to it out of context and not know that's the bad guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxk4mveLCw

so can I vote anyone?

This post should be treated as OOC from the game (meaning no bearing on town/mafia alignment.)

Anyone listed in post #2 link - using either their GOG username or their participation character. There's a house rule around here against voting for new players during the day one period.

Also we're at the point of the day where all the players over in Europe are probably in bed so things get quiet. I'm US West Coast so still online.... But the nature shows are airing dragons hunting and when that's over, I'm going to watch people jump around on ice with knives on their boots.

No promises on further replies from me tonight.

Did you just come to that realization?


Technically - yes. Still, it's preferable that it's someone you find suspicious and you can explain why that is.


Actually the custom is to not lynch new players on Day 1. That doesn't mean people can't and shouldn't vote for them if they find them scummy and have a good reasoning for that. I don't think we'll have that but if a new player is outright the scummiest player they should still be properly considered as the Day's lynch. To quote captain Barbossa:

"The code is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules..."

I will have to side with Nadeko(FrostburnPheonix) and vote for Hazima(JoeSapphire).

Her voting for Asuka(bucktooth) before school barely started was just joking around, but why does he follow up with questioning everything ?

And just look at the attached image...

Vote Hazama (JoeSapphire)

[I just realised I was still in the wrong tab and Frostburn changed his vote to Catventurer... doesn't matter. My point still stands.]