Makes sense with everything you have said so far.

Why? You were 85% going with Lift. I think Dedo is Town

So, let's suppose that Atlo's thing is a serious thing. That is, something beyond a random player's impressions (because frankly, we all have "reasons to think" each others are mafia/town). And assuming it's legit (because so early in game, such a scumplay would have the time be debunked in the long term and ties mafiosi together). My list becomes :

TOWN Frost!
TOWN Telika!
TOWN AmbitionZ!
TOWN Yogs
TOWN Catv
TOWN Atlo?*
TOWN Lifth?
town Catte*
-> MAFIA Joe
-> MAFIA Scene
-> MAFIA Buck
-> MAFIA Dedop

Dedop and Buck are nobody's wagons, realistically. So Joe and Scene would be. So, I reluctantly

unvote

and

uh

vooooote...

hm.

Scene is complicated, for already mentioned reasons. This stupid obvious-but-too-obvious-but-still-counts-as-obvious-because-there-is-obvious-in-obvious situation. Joe... often told myself that I prefer losing in a game where Joe survives than winning where he's expelled early, but still, I find him... lazily scummy ? And more dangerously ignore-able than the over-visible Scene. Plus not involved enough to be as entertaining as supposed to.

So,

I vote Joe

But I'm ready to switch/vote/hammer Scene if that wagon progresses.

Curiosity could get the better of me and have me participate in a Lifth wagon, but I'd have a bad feeling about it. And even if he's actually scum, he'd still have a couple of accomplices within my list of four, so, statistically, I'm still okay with cautiously lynching these ones first.

Not super happy with the joe thing. He's the player who convinced me to come play with him here, and there we go... :-/

Unvote dedo

It was a joke. He wanted a vote? He got one.

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[Going AFK for awhile; Should be back an hour or two before deadline; Very probably sooner.]

Okay that was super confusing, especially for me, who unvoted dedo without seeing that atlo voted for him (I posted my long post and then saw his vote that was posted 7 minutes before).

Not sure what's going on (a... joke? would it have stayed a joke if I hadn't unvoted?), and that's a bad AFK timing.

Lollygagging is what's going on.


Unofficial VOTECOUNT:

supplementscene (1) - Lift (#382)
Lift (2) - supplementscene (#279), JoeSapphire (#319)
Catte (2) - yogsloth (#415), dedoporno (#455)
Joe (1) - Telika (#483)

Not voting: catte, buck, Atlo, CatV

Closest to lynch are Lift and Catte, both at L-4.

Takes 6 to lynch.

Your position is : "Atlo's position isn't seriously motivated enough" or "Atlo and Catte are scumbuddies" ?

I have no idea what Atlo appears to be alluding to. It could be something concrete which I'll consider if and when it's revealed but until then it's just nothing and you're making an assumption that there is something of value behind it. I don't know if Atlo is scum and is purposefully stalling to achieve no lynch or move people away from Catte. I don't know if Atlo is Town who thinks he has spotted a Town-tell or a PR who has a solid enough evidence. I'm not going there if Atlo doesn't want to do so on his own volition. Out of the two it appears Atlo is the more likely Townie but that doesn't automatically carry on to Catte - it depends on what Atlo has and it's validity/weight.

You have moved your vote to Joe. I'm fine and I actually prefer to go in that direction. Joe's been way too much from the game anyway, so he's usual sweetness and attractiveness is already a notch down. I also like having him around hasn't really been around, has he? It's actually he who doesn't seem seriously motivated enough. It's similar with Lift. Both have shared external issues are affecting their play which I don't doubt but that doesn't mean it's the only reason. It may also happen that it's convenient and allows them to take a breather without beating themselves up because the way the game is going means NL or possibly too many Townies are among the started wagons and they aren't too worried.

I really don't know but the fact is that too many people are not doing a lot - some of them are not scum and that's a problem.

Make a lynch happen! Fucking lynch me if that's what it takes and be done with the "IT'S sCUmBUsINESs TO NoT WANT TO REvEal THE MASON RIGHT AWAY YADA YADA" but don't let this go to NL. The scum is there somewhere.


vote Joe

Ok. I'll follow you there. Scene isn't happening today, it seems, though I still would prefer to lynch him. Out of the alternatives I'm not voting Catte today and I'm not voting myself either. That leaves Joe and while there isn't anything big that screams Scum about him, there isn't anything that says Town either. Him singling me out isn't unusual. But reading everyone else as Town is.

By now I would also willing to vote Atlo for inconsistency. Being 85% sure that I'm his preferred vote and then voting someone else even though I'm one of the leading wagons looks strange.

But for now:
vote Joe

However, should Scene become viable, I'll switch back.

Can you remind me why that is?


Ha. I decided to go back and look for it myself. Outside of your opening post in the game which goes like this:

The word "Catte", as part of your authored content, appears in your posts for the first time in #468 where you say he is a low-hanging fruit that doesn't look too scummy. You also question what I have against him. I skimmed through your posts and you never interacted with no talked about Catte in a meaningful way outside of your entry post having an RVS vote. The only other time you had a connection with Catte it was done by proxy - you turned your sights on Frostburn because of his vote on Catte.

And now you say you're not voting for him Today (I read this as "no matter what"). Yet you vote Joe who is basically the same thing. How come Joe works as a vote but Catte doesn't?



I meant to say Joe has 4 votes and as at L-2.

Vote Joe

Would not have been my first choice of who's remaining, but with the time we have this looks like our best shot at a lynch.

Joe is at L-1.

unvote Joe

We have 4 hours, 53 minutes at the time of writing this.

Countdown link.

I'll revote in 2-3 hours if that's the wagon but Joe needs to be able to speak before getting hammered.

aw ded op

My role is tracker, i observed telika night 1, i don't think telika is scum.

Bucktooth's vote looks super scummy. Atlo's teasing is lol

Fun fact : When I specifically asked you your opinion on Dedoporno (post 359), I was hoping you'd be a cop who had breadcumbed him in post 268. Your whole post was in lowercase, including the starts of sentences, but you wrote "yesterDay" twice. I was like, "a-HA! How many players start with a D? Only one !? Got it !". If you had expressed suspicion towards Dedo, I would have been absolutely certain that you formally identified him as scum and didn't dare saying it openly yet.

It got completely deflated (along with half my reason to vote for him) when you said you thought Dedo was town. Hence my expression of disappointment, confusion and annoyance later (383).

(Yes it's another fun fact. I am such an interesting person.)