Yeah, I haven't advanced much.

I believe Scanj/Yogs to be towwn. I also kinda believe Catven to be town : their super moralistic defense of Lifth and outrage at my questioning would be odd, and way too cynical, if scum. And Catve doesn't strike me as cynical to the extreme (plus, cynicism is a doggie trait according to Diogenes).

But they are my only townies. That's seven mafiosi left.

Catte and Joe both give me a suspiciously low impression of participation and scumhunting. Joe had excuses for his absence, but his presences aren't much contructive either. I'd like to know why Yogs signles out Catte and gives Joe a pass.

Scene, I already listed my issues with him. They're... almost too numerous, which freaks me out since Frost. But I don't like that sort of hesitancy, which leads to a paradoxical negation of scumtells. But yet, the Atlo thing doesn't not-make-sense. Again, especially after Frost.

Scumhunting is also townhunting - we have to sort out who is town and who is scum, and we do it by elimination (crossing out supposed townies from the list). So, the arguments against a townie certification are a big object of suspicion for me. Meaning : Scene (not bolded, he's already mentionned above), Dedo, Buck, they smell scummy. I'm especially suspicious of arguments life "self-certification is not an important power" and "mafia won't target a certified townie, they prefer shot in the darks on other potential power roles".

Lifth I can see scum as well, although he shifted to town for clear cut townie mason position. So I may be stuck in a confirmation bias (investment syndrome, cost of backtracking, hope of validation). But also, ...also nothing. I had a very wrong feeling about him when it came to the sequence of votes against Frost, and I don't get this feeling in my re-reads (I even disagree with my own notes).

Scene wrote about Lifth :

My re-read was :

Lifth defended Frost about Joe's random vote (defending Frost on that is scummy, Lifth did it in a non-committal way that I tend to associate to scum discretion but could also be townie cautiousness).
Lifth voted Frost on silly grounds (Frost's joke, but also Lifth defended Frost when Frost voted based on Joe's joke).
THEN -a post I had missed in my notes- he added other reasons to his vote (post 134 about Frost's vote-hopping).
And his vote stayed till the end (god I love my telikatron forumafiavision votoscope display).

Now Scen accuses Lifth on the ground that Lifth didn't express suspicion to anyone else than Frost. i have to check if it's true, but if it is... it doesn't seem very exceptional and worthy of singling out, in this game, unless I'm mistaken.

So, I'd like clarifications -by Scene and Joe- on the reasons to accuse Lifth. Again, I'm all for Lifth to turn out mafia, it would make me feel super clever with my help post psychoanalysis. I'm mentally all primed for that. But... right now Lifth feels somewhat solid to me, which rotates my suspicion towards Joe and Scene.

Atlo, I don't have much against him, apart from the late wagonning against Frost (while openly claiming to consider Frost innocent). I find it very suspiciously lamistic, but it can be rationalized as a nolynch avoidance. My opinion is that people who claimed to not suspect Frost were themselves mafia, because anyone who didn't have a Pooka proof of Frost being townie would have suspected him to be mafia at this point. But this opinion of mine is false : half the people who didn't vote for Frost are people I consider town (Scanj, and, well, AmbitionZ). So, I can't base a read on that.

Okay, means that Atlo and Lifth are also leaning town, for me ? Feels odd. I've spent so much time imagining them to be scumbuddies.