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I'm up late watching Christmas movies on that greeting card channel even though all the plots are the same.
I won't be on as early tomorrow.
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dedoporno: Why did you question his lynch?
i wanted to find out what had happened while i'd been away; there wasn't any subtext to the question

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Telika: JoeSapphire. In your own personal opinion of yours. Dedoporno is leaning town or leaning mafia ?
UMM.
I'm a little ashamed to admit i hadn't really thought about it. I think he could argue this way as either alignment. Perhaps as town he tries to be less abrasive? so town?

what have you got?
[Post post regret]

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dedoporno: ... I agree with CatV and others that has and keeps making questionable statements. ...
Seeing as that was already mentioned, singling out and quoting Lifts post was redundant.

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Catventurer: I'm up late watching Christmas movies on that greeting card channel even though all the plots are the same.
I won't be on as early tomorrow.
The hell is a ''greeting card channel ???

// Will vote after 10min mark
To hell with it. I'm going after the low hanging fruit. The other options are too convulated.

vote supplementscene
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Catventurer: Anyway, I'm headcanoning that mafia are sith for today only. It's keeping me amused enough to check on the thread.
Got it, thanks.


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JoeSapphire: I'm a little ashamed to admit i hadn't really thought about it.
:O

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Atlo: The hell is a ''greeting card channel ???
Hallmark?


I thought about the game a bit last evening and I'm having hard time to make up my mind as my previous reads haven't changed too much other than AZ flipping Town whom I thought it was part of the scum team.

I don't know Telika but I think he's way too aggressive in pushing defending and pushing his beliefs of "correct" play to be scum. I probably takes him, Lift and one of Catte to be the scumteam and they decided in their daychat that they can just bully their way to victory. I don't see it. If Telika is indeed scum and that bold in his ways - good job and I'll have some data to work with for next game.

I still think bucktooth made sort of a derpclear. If it was a clever scum play it was masterfully done. If it wasn't for that he'd be one of the people I'd be OK voting for.

I already talked about scene - seems like an easy and comfortable choice but so did Frostburn and it's too easy. Who are his buddies who are not using their daychat sync up and get him in line? Maybe it's intentional and he's allowed to do as he pleases or his buddies are just not around that much? It looks like a too good and convenient vote.

Joe has been gone and hasn't done a whole lot after appearing other than breaking my heart.

Catte is similar - the only thing I noticed is that he decided to particularly flag my reasoning as bad even though I wasn't the only one talking about it. Scum!Catte likes to latch onto stuff he considers Town mistakes and push against those as scum. Even if something isn't necessarily a mistake, if enough others (especially the more vocal players) argue the opposing argument it still good for him. Then again he may just be of the same opposing opinion and I was indeed the most vocal in arguing my side, so it can be either way.

I had bad vibes about Atlo on D1 but it was mostly a gut feeling. I don't really have that anymore, I just go through his posts Today and nothing has popped out so far. I'll go back and ISO him later today.

Lift is neither here nor there. I can't remember having an issue with him, he's sort of just there. Maybe an ISO can show something I read through and didn't pay attention to.

CatV is the only leftover person leaning towards the scummy side of the spectrum for me from D1 but I no one else seems to share my concerns so maybe it's me who is making a wrong read their. If I have to vote right now that's where my vote would be, based on the old stuff.

csanjuro has been put in a replacement state, so yeah.

The scum has to obviously be somewhere but I'm having hard time tied different people together. It's either a bunch of veteran players or veterans + missing/inactive ones.


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Atlo: To hell with it. I'm going after the low hanging fruit. The other options are too convulated.
You are with the scumz, aren't you? Is it you, CatV? Who else?
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Atlo: To hell with it. I'm going after the low hanging fruit. The other options are too convulated.
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dedoporno: You are with the scumz, aren't you? Is it you, CatV? Who else?
We're all mafia. You're the one single Townee left. Go ask Pooka what weird setup this is.

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Atlo: The hell is a ''greeting card channel ???
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dedoporno: Hallmark?
My first reaction upon reading that was:

???

THE HELL IS A HALLMARK ?!?!?!?!

So I searched ''Hallmark'' and clicked on the first link. I was greeted by a man in a bright sweater with a christmas hat grinning at me.
The site wasn't even loaded before I closed that page.

It's +15°C outside. Why was there a man in christmas spirit.
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my name is anime catte: The bold part is not true and you even acknowledge it later in the post. An Innocent Child gives the town a numerical advantage as they reduce the possible scum pool without increasing the scum voting power.
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dedoporno: They will always have that. The claim can be made at any point. I have never said it shouldn't be made at any point but to be delayed to when it's needed and it makes sense to make. By "value" I mean knowing the knowledge about a particular individual being Town therefore taking their input at face value. Knowing someone is Town doesn't automatically mean they are correct, have good reads, etc. It mostly servers as a distraction remover and/or one less person to worry about. Alternatively, if they stay hidden a case/wagon can be formed against them that can be shut down with the claim and that push can be taken into account later on. The claim is still made, just not "for free".
No, they don't have that until the claim is made. The later it is made, the less value it has and if you wait until LYLO then scum falseclaiming mason actually becomes a viable strategy.
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JoeSapphire: would i have voted frostburn if he hadn't been hammered and i knew the deadline was imminent? yeah. why? to get lunch. tbh i haven't read pages 4, 5, 6 still so i cannot claim to have been informed.
THERE'S A PAGE 5!?!?!?
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my name is anime catte: No, they don't have that until the claim is made. The later it is made, the less value it has and if you wait until LYLO then scum falseclaiming mason actually becomes a viable strategy.
Neither of us is misunderstanding the other one's point. This is obviously a contradiction of opinions. I won't change yours and you're not changing mine. I'm not going to argue on this topic any longer as I have made my stance on the matter clear for anyone and everyone to see.

At this point pretty much everyone who is at least somewhat participant in the game has given their input so the Mason can make up their own mind and do as they see fit.
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my name is anime catte: No, they don't have that until the claim is made. The later it is made, the less value it has and if you wait until LYLO then scum falseclaiming mason actually becomes a viable strategy.
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dedoporno: Neither of us is misunderstanding the other one's point. This is obviously a contradiction of opinions. I won't change yours and you're not changing mine. I'm not going to argue on this topic any longer as I have made my stance on the matter clear for anyone and everyone to see.

At this point pretty much everyone who is at least somewhat participant in the game has given their input so the Mason can make up their own mind and do as they see fit.
I agree. While I think your argument favours scum, I don't think you'd be this transparent as scum so I consider your opinion NAI.

Which leaves... uhhh.
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Telika: From Buck 274 : "The big issue with the other mason claiming at this point is that we have no way of verifying the validity without AZ's input. Granted if the mystery player and AZ were throwing hints in their posts and someone provided such hints as proof I would be inclined to believe them. I will say that at this point I personally do not see a massive RISK in the other mason claiming. As scumm would surely want to try and snuff out a stronger PR than someone who is now basically a glorified VT." to Buck 297 : "I will also have to say that I am on the side of keeping the remaining mason hidden. I just don't see them being all that enticing to the Mafia, and giving scum the knowledge to hone in on a better potential Power Role NK sounds less than ideal to me."
As I pointed out to Dedo already as well, my claiming that there would be no massive risk in the Mason claiming was pertaining to the Mason themself and not Towns overall wellbeing. I just dont picture the now confirmed VT being high up the scum hit list unless that player had proven to be extremely influencial to the investigation up to that point. My opinions of "the mason can claim and likely survive the night" and "mason claim makes mafia easier to hit important PRs" are not mutually exclusive.


On the game at large: Im glad were getting more time cause my head is spinning here and I need to re-read the last couple pages again to process

Also Im sorry to see that csan needs a sub out, its always rough to see a new player leave mid game whether be through rule-breakage or just the game not meeting their expectations.


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Telika: This I don't take seriously. I think it was just an expression of frustration in front of idle players.
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Catventurer: There's also to be considered that people do sometimes make such suggestions and actually mean it.

For that reason and in light of other posts, I'd rather take the post at face value, and let Scene try to explain himself if he wants me to move my vote elsewhere. There's no need to do his job for him.
While not to say anything of anything else Scene posted yet, I do feel that their wanting to lynch inactive players is NAI as if memory recalls Scene is pro-lynch lurkers a lot of the time. Its also a logic that is not uncommon amongst the gogMafia population as a whole as I have seen, being a person who is usually un-intentionally lurky no matter what team I happen to be on.
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Atlo: THE HELL IS A HALLMARK ?!?!?!?!
It's a greeting card company in the US that also has a television channel that airs endless Christmas movies. Although saying that, the royal themed ones are just really bad - Not in a so bad they're entertaining way, but just outright bad. Don't watch it.



Anyway, I'm here kinda. I have nothing to contribute at the moment because I see more Mason hunting.
If not for Pooka extending Day 2, we'd be looking at a no lynch.
It's like some people don't even want to find Mafia.

/ᐠ –ꞈ –ᐟ\ Disappointed cat is feeling disappointed.
I just noticed this....


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dedoporno: CatV is the only leftover person leaning towards the scummy side of the spectrum for me from D1 but I no one else seems to share my concerns so maybe it's me who is making a wrong read their. If I have to vote right now that's where my vote would be, based on the old stuff.
Okay. Look. I'm really sick of the endless conflict. I don't care if it is fun for you or anyone else to watch. It's not fun for me. Please do me a favor, and find someone else for Frosty to fight with all the time because I no longer want the job. This should not be hard to understand.
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Catventurer: I just noticed this....


Okay. Look. I'm really sick of the endless conflict. I don't care if it is fun for you or anyone else to watch. It's not fun for me. Please do me a favor, and find someone else for Frosty to fight with all the time because I no longer want the job. This should not be hard to understand.
Wut?
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Catventurer: I just noticed this....

Okay. Look. I'm really sick of the endless conflict. I don't care if it is fun for you or anyone else to watch. It's not fun for me. Please do me a favor, and find someone else for Frosty to fight with all the time because I no longer want the job. This should not be hard to understand.
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dedoporno: Wut?
My backlog is too large for me to keep putting up with the endless Frosty conflict that I flat out do not want. This also goes for anyone who is acting like they are determined to view this as suspicious behavior (such as yourself), when it should be viewed as alignment neutral.

I think it is time for me to seriously consider pulling out of this game.