EDIT my post above. I made a mistake about how many posts Bucktooth made. He's made more than that. But all of it has been either game set up, where he's seeming to be helpful and defend Lift. Or jumping on what looks like it will be the most popular wagon. He's not really been suspicious of anyone else other than Telika. Who I voted for but I've come to decide he's solving the game the most and is probably the most Town player. It all seems very lurky and he doesn't have thoughts about other players

Vote Bucktooth

Lunch break is almost over. Exciting, isn't it?

VOTECOUNT:
FrostburnPhoenix (5) - Lifthrasil, bucktoothgamer, Catventurer, Telika, Atlo
bucktoothgamer (2) - JoeSapphire, supplementscene
Catventurer (1) - csanjuro
catte (1) - FrostburnPhoenix

Not voting: Ambiti0nZ, dedoporno, catte
Closest to exclusion is FrostburnPhoenix, at L-2. That means two more votes will lynch him.

In case there's any errors in the votecount, please let me know.
8 hours, 15 minutes left. Please expect a longer twilight phase than usual (I will have a visit).

I was about to vote bucktooth to signal my willingness to go that way instead of Frostburn but then I decided to go back and reread his stuff.

Would anyone who has played a couple of games with buck categorize him as a sly and cunning player? If yes, why and do can you present some sort of example to back up your impression? This is a serious question.

I'm at work, so I can't reply in my usual style and to all that I want to reply to, but I'll take a few minutes to answer this.

Buck is very opportunistic as scum. I've only played like 1 or 2 games with him, but in the most memorable interaction with him he tried to jump on my wagon and attempted to reinforce other people's suspicions of me via a derivation of already voiced arguments. His big mistake is that he returned to a point I had already contested quite well, in my view, and that made me think he's scum. He ended up being the lynch and flipped scum indeed.

This doesn't answer the question I asked.

The story was meant to highlight behaviors associated with cunningness. Now, I suppose an answer to your question depends on performance and execution. With that in mind, I can't give a full throated "yes", but I'm inclined to say that he can be sly and cunning, hence my current suspicion of him.

EBWOP

"His big mistake was that he returned to a point I had already contested quite well, in my view, and that made me think he was scum. He ended up being the lynch and flipped scum indeed."

Bucktooth x2

I can attest that nothing has been changed in the above edited post.

My post counts are ALWAYS amongst the lowest players of the game whether im town or scum, I dont know if there has been a game of Mafia I've played were I havent been accused of lurking. To your other point of my arguements being rehashed, again something I would argue im guilty of no matter which team I am on. I see other peoples arguements and determine if I agree with them or not and make my votes accordingly. But you are right that I gave no real opinions on the rest of the group other than Frost and Telika. SO with out further ado:

catte - I feel like I have experienced catte way more as mafia than I have as a townie. I will say that scum!catte to me usually gets fished out later in the game once we have wagons to analyze. Im very NAI at the moment.

frostburn - As I said before the rapid vote switching is my biggest pull toward Frost. Sure im gonna eat my words if they flip town, but if im guilty of voting for the player that sets of the most alarm bells for me then so be it.

Catventurer - Seems to clash more with Frost on a personal level as opposed to just the game, not that I agree with this approach mind you just thats what im reading. It will be interesting to see how she moves forward in the game if Frost is eliminated.

Lift - Lift I firsthand have seen lift go on his soapbox about making jokes about being Mafia before so this reasoning for their Frost vote does not surpise me nor color my opinion of their team very much. I will say that I tend to have a hard time reading Lift in general, so while I wouldnt point the finger at them right away I would not suprise me in the slightest if they flipped scum.

scene - Points out the players with low activity and how "it shouldnt be rewarded". Now claims I am lurky and reusing talking points of others. This actually reads like normal Scene to me from my past experience and I would lean them as town.

Joe - The complete absence is not normally what I have come to expect from Joe, I believe that their vote on my was RVS and I see no reason to push back on that until they return and can get an explanation IF they choose to keep their vote where it is.

Telika - My suspicion from Telika simply comes from not being used to someone digging so deeply into HOW another player goes about showing newbies the ropes. Different players have different perspectives of course, just that this one is completely new to me. As I have said before it wasnt going to be enough for me to vote them unless they actually tried to start building a wagon out of this logic.

AZ - Activity seems to have picked up within the last day or so with responses to a lot of quick snippets of players posts. Now calling me opportunistic, could be trying to sow the seeds of a counterwagon for their buddy Frost or I could just being coming off that scummy(who knows I dont know what im doing half the time here anyway)

dedo - Trying to push the group to sit back and reconsider the current hot wagon to see if were making the right desicion. Does that contradict with their desire to avoid a no-lynch with such little time left in the day? Maybe. At the same time however if Frost does flip scum this tactic would put some big optics on Dedo, which they would be wise enough to know this so reads like town behavior to me.

Atlo - New player, but really making an effort to get their thought process out for all to see. Looking forward to see what analysis they start to come up with as the game goes on.

csanjuro - Clear signs of a new player who may not have read the rules too thoroughly but is trying to pick up how to play the game just by observing.

I Was somewhat worried about being hammered early.

I Was under the impression that VT claims at L1 were policy lynched? Don't you have to claim PR at L1 to survive?

I like this analysis, albeit if it's a tad late

Surely you know this isn't true?

Is your middle name Pot calling people Kettle?


You're saying that since you claimed something that is very likely not going to save you from a lynch it has to be true as no scum would take risk? Is that what you're saying? If yes, this is textbook WIFOM and no one in their right mind would care, sorry. I do see how it can look sensible from your point of view, if true.

I Was confused from Bomb being a policy lynch since they are about the same. I Kinda liked how L1 worked like a psuedohammer but I guess it was my imagination.

I was referring to the "who may not have read the rules too thoroughly" bit. Did you read them thoroughly?