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Bucktooth voted me for a faulty reason and when I corrected it he gave me the same faulty reason. At first I thought this was scummy, but he probably genuinely does not realize it, as scum would likely be more aware of their faulty reasoning and would not want to use openly faulty reasoning. So town.

I Feel like catte's #93 and #95 are likely to come from a scum perspective.

Ambiti0n is just fluff.

I Claim VT.

In the meantime [I typed this between Frost's wait and unvote], here's my personal list of "nonsensical" votes. It's very different from a list of "votes I disagree with". I can disagree with a vote yet imagine how the opinion can be held by a townie, and agree with a vote but dislike its motivation. The votes I consider nonsensical are the serious ones that have no argument or an argument so weak I tend to see it as dishonest.

FrostburnPhoenix wins : posts 8, 42, 130, 164.
(He also did two understandable posts : 128 and 148.)

Atlo gets two : posts 59 and 165*.
(He made zero votes that It's consider reasonable.)

Scene has one : post 32
(And one vote that is not entirely irrational : 170.)

Scanjuro has one : post 174
(And no other vote, he didn't justify his vote at all.)

Catte has one : 177*
And no other (serious) vote.

Let's also note that Catte's 177 and Atlo's 165 can be seen as opportunistic. They are end-of-wagon votes against Frost, which can be motivated by the "no no lynch" strategy, but also by some "oh look our buddy is doomed let's bus him quick to look innocent" or some "oh look a townie may be lynched, let's give it the required push". They have no real intrinsic motivation, which makes me a bit uneasy with them.

Those who know me from other games can guess that the original form of this is a spaghetti plate of colorful arrows. And it's just one aspect. Just votes. Leaving aside arguments made without votes. Don't have the courage to map these for the time being.

People can disagree with my evaluation of the votes. This is essentially a map of my opinions. Other lists may be interesting. If only to contrast them.

Unvote Frost!

Your response to those is pretty much the core of my read of you. In my mind the "Scum have daychat??" thing is either a derpclear or an engineered one.

You're going to leave a claimed VT alive?

This is fake.

Vote catte

Not indefinitely you numpty. I am still in favour of lunching you today, I just backed off at dedo's request.

LOL

Me giving a reasoning for voting you and then doubling down when you give the response of "nuh-uh" is far from what I would call "faulty reasoning".

What reasoning SHOULD I have pulled from you voting dedo for being "fluffy and LAMISTy" and then retracting that vote after Dedo gives the slightest bit of push back?

From my position I see two potentials:

1. Youre town who is being very liberal with your voting ability before really builing an arguement for said vote

2. Mafia who is trying to split votes up in hopes of a no-lynch.

I have seen you play before to know that you have good sense of how the game works, you have to know that when you throw votes around left and right it does not look like an honest attempt at solving the game.

the fact that AS I WAS TYPING THIS you jumped on Catte showing amnesty...yeah my votes staying put.

None. Why would you seek to intentionally pull reasoning from something?
Why wouldn't I be?

Maybe I'm just too MU diluted.

And shouldn't I be locktown from my VT claim?

I Changed my mind. You can lynch buck if he's scummy in future days.

Why would I try and deduce the logic of actions in a social deduction game?

Idk, seemed legit to me.

This reminds me of a Vine where someone pretends to piss on someone's tire in the parking lot of what could only be a U.S. shopping center and then running away from the angry proprietor for their life shouting "It's a joke, it's a joke, IT'S A PHUCKING JOKE!"

Join the club!

Oh, you sweet summer child...

I must be in the crepuscular zone because I've been agreeing with you too much.

I must be feeling good because I wanna say the list is only half lame.

He does seem rather defensive and noncommittal. His playstyle has evolved over the years though. I would check his most recent mafia role game, but I doubt you'd find much. Even if behavioral similarities exist, he's an experienced enough player to be dynamic and thus nothing will be consistent over the event horizon to an end game.

You seem rather suspicious to me.

Who?

Any flip would be info gain because then we'd have a wagon to analyze, former arguments, interactions with others, or lack thereof.

Must be a post-communist thing. Straight outta that eastern playbook.

Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?

Hey, at least I'm two for three here!

I'm chaos and you're mayhem.

And you get an hour, and you get an hour, and you get an hour. Everyone gets an hour!

Damn, that's a lot of agains....

Who?

Damn. I hope it got toilet paper.

My partner said I should become a tik-toker.

Funny. I recall him doing so, albeit I only noticed them post-claim.

Unless they have a daychat and are doing an outstanding job of manipulating us like I wish I could manipulate the options market.

I'm not following.
If
A) he genuinely didn't read the rules
and
B) knew that there was a scum daychat because he is scum
then how does that lead to
C) us knowing that there is a daychat without it being in the rules (Frosty's assumption in the scenario you present)
so he could
D) try to convince us that there is no daychat?

This is more than just a stretch now.

Tell me, do you like disclaimers?

What am I reading?

Ppffffft

You slap a porno at the end and get a player's name. We often use nicknames and abbreviations here. It takes a little to get acquainted with all of them, especially when some people change their profile name or have different accounts.

I'll think about it.

Nope, the post is alright. But Telika's inquiry was also legitimate, at least coming from someone who is not acquainted with Lift's playstyle.

Thank you! I didn't need one then, but I might need one now. Bed time is also coming fast for me.

Of course you'd say that. It's not like anyone would give a roadmap to how they're playing differently. "And when I'm scum, I do X thing."

No cookie for you!

So are you Batman or the bad guys?

Deece reads, actually.

Outstanding!

Eh, you win some, you lose some.

I do feel that the former two are a bit different. I need to mull things over a bit more.

Cat is a she.

I chuckled. It's okay though. Forum mafia can be nebulous and we do use a lot of specialized terminology and "specialized terminology". I explained below what's what.

You're welcome!

Fair enough. Have a nice day!

A reasonable argument. Not sure how it fits into the meta, but fair is fair.

It does seem to be his meta. Given his previous alignments, I'm uncertain if NAI or town. I need more data.

Cat is a she.

It was 6. Two were missing, four weren't particularly active. Albeit he did say he listed 5 (five) in a latter post just after the list one. Could just be a fat finger more than any malintent.

I mean, you did call yourself the most handsome player.

Bahaha. I'm ded.

Vote Joe

I'm just kidding.

Seriously. It's getting hot in here.

Eh, Idk about this. It's been taking its sweet time.

Not everybody gets Shakespeare, I get it.

Trash list!

Now you're back to your normal self.

Gross. Is that where the zoomers hang out?

Meh but we can't always have some tectonic movement type of claims. Could be true but at this point it's probably not enough.

I'm curious why was important for buck to respond before you claimed VT?


I haven't played with you but I can already see this.


You should? How so?


Oh, come on!


Second most handsome. Joe is still technically in this game's roster for whatever reason.


Anyway, at this point I don't think Frostburn won't be the lynch. I don't support it as I don't find him particularly scummy but I'll join it if I have to for the sake of the lynch. If he does end up flipping scum feel free to hold it against me.


PSA: I have already informed Pooka about this but everyone should be aware that I'm traveling late night tonight and will be away until next Monday late night. Luckily the Night should cover at least half of my absence but if I survive it I'll be missing for the first couple of RL days of D2.

I'm going to do a deeper dive into Cat and Booktooth who seem like the only other viable lunches. Re-read their posts and see whats what. And I might vote for one of them depending on what I find.

Okay 13 miniutes should be safe to post

Cat looks like she is trying to solve the game, looking at various tells for clues

Booktooth has made 1 post that I saw. Where he sat on a convenient caravan and merely repeated other peoples criticism. That gives me scummy vibes and even if he is town such little contribution is not going to help the cause

Unvote Dedo

Vote Booktooth

I'm also willing to hammer Frostburn if needs be. I don't think his LAMIST - I claimed Vanilla Town, that clearly shows I'm town is very Town. But he could possibly be naive enough to believe this.