Thank you, I thought I would be unable to continue in my state yesterday. I was literally gasping for air because of the pain. Today I've managed to be without too much pain while seated but I'm still stuggling to move around the house

Anyway do you have any thoughts on your reads on players, whether they are leaning town or leaning fascist? It would be nice to hear, Cheers

The way I'm writing this post is that I'm reading through the thread on my cell phone and writing my reply in a text editor on my PC. When Internet goes up again, I'll post my reply. For this reason, I'm going to use a format of @username (post #). Yes, I'm aware that I could try logging in on my iPhone and reply that way, but I tried and don't want to accumulate more failed login attempts. So this is the format until my Internet is fixed. (At least I'm trying to be here.)


@Dedoporn (Post #91) - I specifically meant that I've become so accustomed to Frosty being wacky and erratic that when when he made post that I found not to be either, I really didn't know how to read it or him. Although saying that, this isn't a terrible thing. :)


@Telika (Post #92) - You really are reading too much into things. Lift's post wasn't indicative of alignment, for either himself or Csan.

Let's assume hypothetically for a brief moment that Csan is team mafia. He can ask a question in this thread and receive an answer from anyone regardless of their alignment. Both town amd mafia players will answer questions truthfully. However if he has any mafia faction specific questions, he shouldn't be asking them here as those questions should be posed to mafia teammates directly over on whyquicktopicwhy.


@FrostburnPhoenix (Post #94) - You know, that's a super awesome idea! (A how to scum tutorial that is available during daychat.) I think it would be helpful for anyone finding themselves on team mafia for the first time. I'll file that thought away in case I ever decide to volunteer to run a game. Obligatory high paw:

(=චᆺච=)人(=චᆺච=)


Note - I'd probably change my vote to Telika at this point just because he's harping on Lift being helpful too much, but there's the Barbossa Mafia Code Guidelines in the way. I'm going to put him down as my top vote pic for Day #2.

Bump @Lifthrasil

@Scene you basically got it in your 'the crux of the matter' paragraph. Scum can profit from such jokes. Using the 'scum would never claim scum' impression. So deflecting suspicion with a joke. Town, however, can not profit from such jokes. So, as I said, either frost is scum or is town who plays against town. Lacking any better lead at the moment, the possibility of scum using such a joke makes frost my prime suspect at the moment.

It is not a solid proof of being scum. But it makes frost scummier than others for the moment.

Natsume-sensei went to one of the windows in the upper floors to check on the girls out of curiosity. Seeing the chaos unfolding, she decided to just keep watching. She didn't have the energy to deal with this crap anyway.

VOTECOUNT:
FrostburnPhoenix (2) - Catventurer, Lifthrasil
JoeSapphire (1) - Atlo
bucktoothgamer (1) - JoeSapphire
Telika (1) - supplementscene
supplementscene (1) - catte

Not voting: Ambiti0nZ, dedoporno, csanjuro, bucktooth, FrostburnPhoenix, Telika
Closest to exclusion is FrostburnPhoenix, at L-5.

In case there's any errors in the votecount, please let me know.

Two days and nine hours left. You can check the first post for the link to the countdown timer.

The rules DO mention that the vote must be on a new line. In the interest of the game's fun factor, I'll count this as a valid unvote, but please don't forget to put the vote on a new line in the future.

If this game had bastard elements you would have known in the signup thread and it'll have been outlined in the rules post. So no, it doesn't.

Yes you can vote for anyone, but you need to play the game. You've been absent for two days now, we're all willing to help you get accustomed to and have fun with the game, but you also have to invest in it likewise. Please don't be afraid to ask for help, it's OK if you find the game overwhelming, but I promise it'll be tons of fun once you know the basics - after all, we want you to have fun.

@supplementscene, Catventurer: sorry to hear about what you guys are going through (either what's posted here or in the signup thread). If you need a timeout from the game, please let me know.

I Don't think Telika is new.

Oh good. I Was wondering if Csan was a confused jester and Atlo a cult leader.

sorry sorry, is that I don't understand quite clearly how to play

@Frosty (Post #112) - Okay! I hadn't met him before, so I just assumed he was. I won't do any vote changes until tomorrow after ISP fixes my service. ISP coming between 12noon and 4pm Pacific.

This is a pretty dishonest read, for three reasons. Firstly, you once more miss the point that I was making : not that help was provided, but that help was phrased as if Csanjuro was certified town (without stressing to them what the difference of roles entail), which could have different reasons (and those who understood my question have addressed these). Secondly because if some people didn't keep wrongly re-phrasing my question as "why would a townie even help out a potential mafioso" I wouldn't have to keep re-clarifying the same thing (the first point above) again and again, re-clarifications which you call "harping". And thirdly, because my point isn't mud-slinging, it's a concrete question that was asking for a concrete answer, that would clear the point once and for all (ie: does Lifth's help in other games, where he was town, also address newcomers in a way that sound like they're certified townies). Clear, verifiable questions do not help the mafia. At all.

Is that the case with Ambitionz too ? I think we have nothing from him. Was he announced absent ?

Have a look at this whole conversation, where we accuse each others of being potentially mafia members, and where we accuse each others of accusing each others in bad faith. If you're "town" according to the private message you've received from Pooka, then tell us which ones of us seem, in your opinion, to be making a point in good faith, and which ones of us seem, in your opinion, to be making their point in bad faith. Or which arguments seem to make or to not make sense to you. And if you are "mafia" according to the private message you've received from Pooka, well... just pretend to do all that honestly, but actually try to sneakily misdirect people. But again, if you are mafia, I doubt you'd be asking us (unless you already grasped the benefits of it and are toying with us).

If it helps, simply answer these questions :

1) Does any player seem less honest than the others, in the way they make and present their arguments ? Can you point out why ?

2) Would you have expected, in post 47, Lifthrasil's explanation to assume less that your intent is to help Town win and to mention more how the game is being played by the mafia-side ? Or do you think that suspecting Lifthrasil of knowing your affiliation is a deliberately dishonest interpretation of post 47, aimed as falsely accusing Lifthrasil of knowing more than a town player would ?

3) Do you think that Joe casting a random first vote on an absent player is different from casting a random first vote on an already participating player ? Do you think Joe is suspicious for doing that ? Do you think that it is suspicious to say that it is suspicious ?

4) Do you think that a joke like "I'm a mafia member, lol" is indicative of being a mafia member ? Do you think that suspecting a player for having made that joke (arguing that a town player wouldn't make it) is legitimate, or sounds like a dishonest suspicion ?

These questions are difficult to all of us (I'd assume), so we're all speculating. It's shots in the dark, and we usually all end up ridicule for them, in retrospect, at the end of the game. But they are still reflective of our impressions (or what we want people to believe are our impressions). It's the dialogue through which we gauge who is sincere. I'd even say, it's less about being factually right or wrong, but more about the reasons we give for our impressions. Being correct is a bit less important than being sincere and honest. Or sounding so.

I hope I didn't make it sound more complicated than it is. Basically, participate in the (hopefully laid back?) discussion. Other players : maybe ask direct questions to involve newcomers in the debates and get them started ?

Thanks, I think I have a better grasp of the game

Greetings goglodytes.

Just a quick update: busy week at work. Wrapping up the review of a couple deals. I shall make time tomorrow during lunch to catch up. I had read everything up to my intro post and had some thoughts as well. I'll put everything to writing sometime in the PM, around evening EST.

In regards to Frosty's joke, you really have to consider who it is coming from. If it was anyone else, I might treat it a bit more seriously.


@Telika (Post #115) - It took my several tries, but I managed to copy and paste the post before Internet dropped on me again. I'm going to try to keep this short so that it hopefully fits in one post.


Telika: "that help was phrased as if Csanjuro was certified town (without stressing to them what the difference of roles entail), which could have different reasons (and those who understood my question have addressed these).

No. No. No. You're being deliberately obtuse. Multiple people have told you multiple times that Lift's post should be read as 100% neutral. Lift would answer the same if he was town vs mafia. Lift is not certifying that Csan is town-aligned either. Only you are making this claim while being stubborn and insisting that there's more to Lift's post #47 than there actually is.


Telika: "I wouldn't have to keep re-clarifying the same thing (the first point above) again and again, re-clarifications which you call "harping"

I'm implying that you keep returning to post #47 as if it is the scene of a crime, and you're the lead investigator in the search for non-existant evidence. There's absolutely nothing to see here for real and to please move along. It doesn't help Team Town if you are town-aligned and keep dwelling on this one post like it's the absolute only thing in the entire universe that matters.

If Lift's motto is "lynch all liars," then mine may as well be "lynch the wacky." Let's pause for a moment though for a clarification, when I say wacky - what I really mean is something that I find to be highly odd, strange, peculiar and/or just not right to the extent that it gets my attention for all the wrong reasons. The fact that you keep circling back to post #47 as if it is the most important post in the thread is getting this type of attention from me, which is why I'm going to change my vote to you for the time being. It would be very suspecious for me to call your behavior wacky and not change my vote to you.

So hopefully I didn't mess up any tags as it might be hours before I can post again -

unvote Frosty
vote Telika

For the record though, the unflattering nickname I would give myself is Weathervane™ as I will ultimately end up changing my vote to whatever direction things actually go. (Look at past games if you don't believe me.)


Telika: "does Lifth's help in other games, where he was town, also address newcomers in a way that sound like they're certified townies"

I answered this already in my prior reply when I said that I don't know. Lift was the moderator of my first game here. The only for reals new player in games after has been Csan. However I will add that even if you researched passed threads and found deviations, I'd dismiss it on the basis that none of us are robots.

Regarding Lifthrasil

I actually lean towards mafia.
Not because of Telika not liking his phrasing.
Not because of you viewing him want to lynch anyone who lies.

But because... something about him feels off...

The emphasis lies on feel not think.
When I think about his interaction with Frostburn -- in whatever constellation I put those 2: be both townies, be just 1 townie, be both mafia -- his reason for wanting to lynch checks out. (His intention might be different; but his reasons check out. At least for me.)

And still... something about him feels off...

Regarding JoeSapphire

When I voted for him, my reasons for doing so were valid. I soon realized I was too hasty and asking questions does not make one suspicious. I just couldn't be bothered to unvote him. Might as well do that now, actually.

*Looks around for Sensei; raises hand; yells*
Unvote

Regardind FrostburnPheonix

''Mafias MVP, even if town alligned'' actually sums it best up!
Thing is -- I actually do think he's an erratic townie!


As for everyone else -- nothing really sticks out. Can't make heads or tails of you lot.

ehh... thanks?
[Luckily I actually understood what you wrote. ;)]

[Jesus! Do get well soon!]