Also I get the feeling he's going to show up any minute and be like "I told you to stop messing about and do some work! What have you got to show for yourselves??" and we're gonna be like D; sorrrrryyyy

*Joe switched tabs back to Dark*

I can't vote Joe now :(

If he's Town I'll feel mega guilty, and if he's scum I'll feel only slightly good abut it.

Bad cost benefit decision.

Sorry, everyone. I've had a very long day, and am just not in the right mind state for the game. I've come on for two things:

1. Apologies
-- @babark, I'm very sorry that my tone comes across as aggressive, it's certainly not my intention, and thanks for letting me know. Going forward, I will self-check as to make sure I'm not making feel uncomfortable; the game's supposed to be fun for everyone.
-- @dedoporno, I sincerely apologise, I most certainly don't mean to address you in a condescending or demanding manner. Thank you for making me see how it comes across, and rest assured I'll refrain from using that phrase going forward.
-- @anyone else whom I may have made feel uncomfortable but hasn't expressed it, I apologise to you too. None was intentional and I'll do my best to not come across like a dick.

2. Heads up.
I have a memorial service to attend tomorrow, so not sure about my availability, hopefully some time in the evening as I have to travel for it.

Apologies again, and thanks for understanding.

Night all.

I am reading ZFR getting so sad about voting and thinking "what is happening?!"

@Joe: your different you is very alluring, but in an annoying way. As in, amusing, but distrustful/distrusting, like gotta know your flip for the peace of mind and at the same time don't want to. Like, there could be a separate game "WHO'S THAT JOE?!" I swear, it's turning into an itch now xD

If I assume Joe to be scum, I would pair him with Razza. But Razza voting Joe threw me off the balance and now I don't know. I see I need to be careful in judging Razza.

I want to vote Babark. Nothing much concrete and I can't put my ideas in question form for him yet. Maybe it's the way he distances himself from being mafia (#519)?
@Babark, #519, "Why was Frost a NK, when he was such an obvious NK?". That question seems strange to me. Why do you ponder it? Or rather, what answer do you expect to get? From where I am standing, most players don't know exactly and mafia would not share, at least not in an abvious way. And if Frost was "obvious NK", then you answered your own question. Note: I may be missing something from D1 about the situation.

The way Babark says he didn't see Buck as scum D1. At first I thought it may be a sign of Babark being scum. But stating this on D2 for mafia!Babark seems completely unnecessary (unless he was "forsed" to by having to explain his non-voting). And for now I don't hold this against Babark, because from what I understand, nearly everyone here were unsure about Buck and it ended up like a policy lynch to some.

And waiting for Dedoporno to load up and drop his "I played angles, gained trust and found scum!" thing at some point.

Imagine how bad you'll feel he is scum and wins because you felt guilty? :P

Sorry to hear that, take care.

it’s just the general vibe i get from them really? again, i don’t have any in particular on them that would have a strong defence. i’d have to read back and look more in detail/ keep an eye on them (like joe) to really pin point any potential evidence, so for me it’s just the general vibe in responses i’ve seen from them.

i’m sorry to hear that, i hope you’re alright ^^

I just don't know why anyone is voting Joe. Look, I get it, his posts come out as scummy. He may have cleverly hid himself on the wagon. That said, he did help us vote correctly. That gets him at least a day in my book. Even if you believe Joe is scum, does anyone believe there could be two players on Buck's wagon?

Thus, my suspects today are from Razza, Catti, Babark and Dessimu.

One important comment, something that has been bugging me...
Catti and the PM play...um...are we really accepting this "revelation" just after both a Town and Scum role have been revealed? I mean, also consider the initial flavor text at game start. Yes, it was a bad claim of Bomb, but I don't see how stating such after the fact and reveals says anything all that useful. Especially the last posts of the day, is this Catti as scum trying to get ahead of suspicion?

Of the top 4 I'm absolutely willing to vote for:
1) Razza - I think is scum. Had the feeling Day 1 but would not vote. Nothing has changed that. If I'm right I think it helps clear Dessimu who seems to be the chosen fall back option as he/she looks to point the finger elsewhere.
2) Dessimu - I just can't get over how hard Cephy tried to get Frost lynched. I think someone was getting greedy maybe...
3) Catti - I just have this bad feeling, but besides the wonkiness of the Online message and suspicions about motives opening the day, I think I like the others more for today.
4) Babark - Not sure I can read him. Not enough there, consistent enough with what I remember but I don't remember any scum meta either.

Here's the weird thing, if Razza is scum, I'd look more at Catti and/or Babark as teammates cleverly listed at the end of the suspect list...if Razza is Town, it doesn't narrow it down.

But overall, I'd be very comfortable with any of these options. I still think our team could well be limited to these 4 and a mislynch outside of this group leaves a 50/50 shot of a second mislynch tomorrow even if we have them all contained. Which would be quite the shame after a Day 1 rare success.

Vote Detective_Razza

@RWarehall. What revelation Catte did? Could you point me to it? We had some "gotchas" and epihanies before, maybe it can be compared.

In your list of reads you said:

It looks like the suspicion on RW is a lot stronger than the one on Joe.


I see.


Thank you, it's greatly appreciated!

My condolences.


Well, I'm sorry! I just inquired about something that stood out to me. At least I assume you are referring to the questions I asked about your read on RW. I don't really understand the "gained trust and found scum part". I'm almost too afraid to ask about it now :/


Finally. I was wondering if someone would bring that up. Although I have to say I was hoping it was HSL or ZFR who did it rather than you but I guess I'll take it.

I was considering Joe as razza's potential partner but I suppose you're not the person to talk to about that.

No worries, and thanks for understanding my perspective. I know you're a really cool guy otherwise, back in the far distant mists of time, I think you were one of my first interactions on the gog forums, but I can no longer remember for what, but it was super positive.


I honestly didn't see anything any more scummy about buck than I did about anyone else, and judging from the comments that came after (and before) mine about the vote for buck, even those who did vote for him didn't really seem to have super solid reasons beyond "Oh no the day is almost over, sorry buck!"

As for my question, what I mean is that both mafia, as well as town (including PR town) expected Frost to be targetted. So I was actually expecting no NK, or someone else to end up being NK. The fact that it actually did end up being Frost troubles me a bit.

As for a vote, it seems from reading everyone's comments, the two most common suspicions are Joe and Razza. Judging from their interactions, I don't REALLY see them both being scum together (Joe reminding me of Razza coyly without mentioning his name didn't help), so for now...

vote Joe

in retrospect, it does look like that, (i wasn’t really thinking about the phrasing) but everyone i think could be scum has a similar level of suspicion to me- like they could be, they could not be- rn my tactic is comparing things from D1 to D2, so i’m sure during D2 something will pop up that makes someone look more suspicious than the others- but rn i’m just kind of watching that list and seeing what i think.

that being said, what’s everyone’s insight on Ambition? i feel like they’ve gone a little quiet D2, they asked me for my insights as if they were suspicious of me for not talking much and then just never responded to them.
considering they spoke quite a lot D1, maybe it’s out of place? idk, what’s your guys’ opinions?

So, what you are saying, is that mafia did what they were supposed to and Town failed to protect Frost?

> At this point it sounds like a far fetched possibility. I wasn't there, but having needed 7 players to get lynch, even after RW and you joined in, there was time for scum!HSL to make a counter case on any of you, jump off and still look good in everyone's eyes. Given how HSL stuck it out and helped to achieve Buck's lynch, I really don't see HSL as scum. Something major else has to happen for me to change the view about him.
> How do you feel about Babark?

That is a great idea! I'll take one too! :-D

"We should all make T-shirts!" Ben suddenly suggests. "What? Like 'I went to Nowhere and all I got was this lousy T-shirt?' Nah, I have a lot of such T-shirts already." Guybrush protests. "And I couldn't even wear a T-shirt!" Sanspoof complains. So the T-shirt idea is rejected and everyone instead considers again whom to eliminate next.

Official Vote Count
Joe 2 - detective 528, babark 551
Catte 1 - ZFR 530
detective 2 - AmbitionZ 486, RWare 547

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch. Joe and detective tie at L-4
Not voting: Joe, Catte, dedo, Dessimu, HSL

The Day will end some time on Monday evening. (MEST)



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