Confidence to guess right a second time around ;)
Speaking of it, just for post-game fun - did you make an early baseless guess on who are in mafia team?

^^ @joesapphire
i mean, it could have been sarcasm, but it was speculation of buck giving away being mafia?

This long and someone actually asked or noted it...

Because I have a role and it would have helped me learn something about Ambiti0nZ. I was also hinting at my role, which is middling, with the hope to draw the NK away from Frost who I assumed had a more powerful role. I changed my mind and did not in fact use it on Ambiti0nZ given the way the events transpired. Since Ambiti0nZ is very likely Town. I'll hold onto the rest to see how the day pans out. You ask why you are 6th out of 9? Because 7, 8 and 9 were there at the end of day and instrumental in the final discussions. Dedo, ZFR and HSL given the way this transpired are almost certainly Town. It would not have been hard for any of them to shift the lynch to me to protect their scum buddy. In fact even Joe with his "kill for any reason and damn any discussion" is more than likely Town. All it would have taken is 1, the gap between 4th and 5th is a chasm.

Dessimu - as to my reasoning.
1) Note, I didn't reveal any of that until a substantial part of the day had played out, so that info was useless to change anything on the record. People wanted to know my rationale for my votes and suspicions, I gave them those. I expect players to justify their votes. As to future games? Yeah, they can learn, sure, but what else can one do?
2) That's what I do for Day 1 where we know nothing for certain. I feel I get much better in subsequent days looking for different things that I can connect to facts and actions and how they relate to known info. Ok, so it might help them fool me on Day 1 where I can't say my reads were ultimately that good anyway. I mean, I had HSL on my scum list, was voting Ambiti0nZ who I no longer think is scum and similar with ZFR. Yeah I missed Buck at first because I thought he was a new player and read him by different standards.

Joe - I also thought our deadline was about 12 hours earlier because I missed the post where Lift gave a definite time. I was running under the assumption day could end at any moment starting at 3 am my time (which is Midnight West Coast) and was dismayed to find no one around. And I still avow that hasty, last minute lynches are risky and should only go through with good reasoning. What happens if your lynch target that you just flash wagoned isn't online and is the Town cop? Had no chance to claim and then where do we stand? Especially given the advantage scum have on Day 1, where in this case it only took 3 true Town to be either absent or wrongly convinced someone is Town to stop any scum lynch. Meanwhile, with 3 more votes, mafia can easily help pass a bad lynch.

Hyper - As wagons are fizzling out and people are looking for other options you made your post. So I looked into it and ISo'd Buck seeing you had a point and backed that point up. Seemingly most everyone else ignored it with the exception of Ambiti0nZ. If I were scum, I could have conveniently ignored it too. Even look at ZFR's post where he thought we had no chance to make the wagon work while we cross-posted. My vote was instrumental in helping that wagon move. I'd say that's a good sign I'm Town looking from the outside.

As to who are the 7 either present or voting? All 7 who secured the lynch. All 7 being necessary! If even one were absent or backed out with doubts, it wouldn't have occurred. That is how fragile our lynch was. And really it wouldn't have taken very much for someone to give a fairly decent excuse why they didn't want to join.

ohhh. I thought you were saying someone was questioning whether the role would be revealed. And I was like hang on I don't think anyone did say that.

I am kinda tempted to take razza at face value here and say she doesn't know if bucktooth is mafia or not. What do you reckon, razza?

Razza is a gal? I am not familiar with all yet.

Looks like genuine (and correct) speculation to me.

Sorry, everyone, I was flying today, busy tomorrow, and gone during the weekend. My participation will be rather short.

I've read through all the posts.

a) bucktooth claiming Bomb - that's another PR lynch on D1 by a scum (as opposed to vanilla lynch). I was at least right that scum would go for PR on D1 (and vanilla on later Days). The claim was so strange I was very sure we're hitting Town and just going with a policy lynch. So again, gg bucktooth.

b) I see now why Frost thought it would be role madness. Given his PR and whatever flavour probably accompanied it.

c) I must be one of the few who sees babark as Towny? For some reason, I can't see scum!babark be so passive. Could be a survivor. I think we can get it by PoE.

I'll exclude: HSL, RWarehall, AMbitionz (now that our issue is cleared, he's no longer a distraction either), Dessimu (based on D1 Cephy), dedo, babark and am left with:

Joe, catte and razza

And this is where our scum reside I think.

Does anyone think lack of Joe's bragging rights was because he's Mafia. I mean I know bragging rights were on my mind from the start, and Joe usually goes along.

I see there is already a vote on razza.

Vote Joe

as in changing my vote to bucktooth? hm.


@any non-dessimu in the vicinity: does it make sense to you that that's what dess meant here? ^

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i think i forgot! i'm gonna say.... bucktooth, someone else, and a third person.

Good timing.

Honestly, last night I was thinking to myself "Is there something off about Joe? Maybe it's just OMGUS because of our disagreement". But no, I think if Lift announced a surprise deadline in an hour*, Joe is who I would vote for.


*Do not do this. ¬_¬

whut?

"lynch" should read "claim"? still doesn't make sense.

whut?


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pshaw 'goes along'

I mean I've definitely forgotten in a game before. I remember you saying in the end game that I never did one and me saying "didn't I? i'm sure i did"


have you looked at babark past games?

babark: were you scum in any of thegames you played before?

tbf I think there's something off about me this game, too

I keep looking at my posts going "that looks scummy af what the heck are you playing at?"

EBWOP. Quotes messed up above
Sorry, I need sleep.

I meant this: if forced to claim, scum is likely to claim PR if D1, Vanilla if later Days.

As I wrote here:

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nah, I'm only half serious about bragging rights. I had to remind Town!Joe to post his bragging rights.

But Poe is serious. PoE won't lie.

I also don't like catte's 504.

Joe, if you tell me which of catte/razza is your partner, I promise to vote him/her instead toDay.

yes, i genuinely don’t know xD from reading, i just got the general consensus that it was believed to be a successful lynch (with HSL being congratulated for starting the voting of bucktooth and such)
i just wanted to make sure i was correct in thinking that, that’s all ^^

also yeah! @dessimu i generally go by she/her pronouns! it’s good to have you here :D