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ZFR: I. Don't. See. Any. Conflict.

Seriouly, can you clarify what conflict you see? I've repeated this 3 times already. it's getting annoying.
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FrostburnPhoenix: Post #105 and post #128 seem to give different reasons for questioning me. Rereading it, there might not have been a conflict, but I pressed the matter because you seemed to be avoiding it.
No I'm not avoiding it. I replied twice. Let me repeat a third time what I wrote:

"I was reading through posts, thought I found something but it eluded me. I went through them again trying to catch and that's when your first and second posts caught my attention. So I questioned you."

If there is a conflict anywhere I don't see it.
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LordCephy: Only late yesterday, did someone give me a link to all the acronyms being used. Until then I didn't know if PR meant Puerto Rico, Press Release, Public Relations, Parental Responsibility, Public Radio, Punk Rock or something else. (I'm totally serious.) So every time I saw PR, I just assumed it was some private conversation.
i do believe it means Power Role (or at least that’s what i’ve come to conclude xD
please anyone correct me if i’m wrong
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LordCephy: Until then I didn't know if PR meant Puerto Rico ~
Wait, it doesn't?! My whole life is a lie!

Jokes aside, is it only the shorthands/abbreviations what is making you feel excluded? If not, what else? If yes, don't be afraid to ask about each and every thing your read and you don't understand. It doesn't have to be limited to lingo, if someone says something you don't understand ask for an explanation. You'll get the hang of the game quicker but you'll also be playing for real since talking to other players is how you get to know them and get a feel about who they are in-game and what they are trying to achieve. The more people talk the easier it gets to weasel out the scum as it puts things they do or say on record limiting their wiggle room later on.

Do you have any reads on anyone even if it's just one person? For example the argument between Frostburn and ZFR has pretty much gotten the spotlight at the moment. I assume you've been following it. Do you have any opinion on the matter and/or either of the two sides?
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Lifthrasil: The sun moves another step across the painted, starry sky. From Somewhere the sound of heavy motorcycles racing by can be heard. But as much as Ben tries to, no motorcycle apart from the empty one can be seen. The sound dies away and only the monkeys can be heard chittering. Somewhere, unseen and unheard, a tree that has all the colours falls over. But no one notices.

3rd vote count

ZFR 2 - catte, frostburn
Catte 1 - bucktooth
Dedo 2 - joe, rware
Ambitionz 1 - babark
Rware 1 - Cephy

I hope I got everything right. I'm on mobile currently. That makes things complicated.
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LordCephy: I withdrew my vote. I'm not voting. You can't make me.
Sorry!

3rd vote count

ZFR 2 - catte, frostburn
Catte 1 - bucktooth
Dedo 2 - joe, rware
Ambitionz 1 - babark

It takes 7 to lynch. ZFR and dedo tie at L-5
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HypersomniacLive: why did you want to hear it
I was just being goofy.


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HypersomniacLive: what about it is satisfying to you
The brevity.

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HypersomniacLive: what does it tell you about dedoporno?
Absolutely nothing. I have no read on him yet.

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HypersomniacLive: *cough cough*
Gesundheit!

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HypersomniacLive: *reads through LordCephy's and Ambiti0nZ's exchanges about cephalopods*
@LordCephy and @Ambiti0nZ - forgive me if I missed it, could either of you elaborate a bit how that discussion moves the game state forward?
I'm being friendly to a newbie and engrossing them in the game. I think I'm doing a mighty fine job too!
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HypersomniacLive: why did you want to hear it
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Ambiti0nZ: I was just being goofy.
Do you have anything non-goofy to share? Any reads so far?

I want to push the lurkers.

vote babark
I actually meant to vote for a lurker earlier and got sidetracked by making a joke vote.

Hmm, it's only been 18 hours since his last post, but I guess

vote bucktoothgamer

to give a gentle prod.

_____

I like the exchange between frost and ZFR. I don't feel like I can glean much from it at this point but it feels like useful activity.
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LordCephy: snip
Further, this is a quick listing of the major roles/modifications that are common in these games. it is NOT exhaustive, but it is a nice list to start with, and sometimes does encompass all roles that are used.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_signup_game_54/post127

Further roles can be looked up on wiki.mafiascum.net (EG https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jester)

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/adalia_fundamentals_fixing_gog_so_you_dont_have_to
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/barefoot_essentials_3

Sorry, I'll shut up now.
Post edited June 16, 2022 by Microfish_1
Who is this joker?
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dedoporno: @Ambiti0nZ, would you mind if I call you AZ from now on? I don't want to botch your name but I'll definitely forget how you spell it eventually and I am too lazy to look it up every time.
Ah, you have no idea! I like this abbreviation. I shall accept it with grace!
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ZFR: If they were 100% confirmed Mafioso, then sure, I'd lynch them newbie protection or not. But given the current situation of a claimed PR they would make a terrible lynch today. If Frost is Town, Mafia will have to do something about him at Night, or risk his PR interfering with them. If he's Mafia, the longer he survives the more difficult it will be for him not to be sus (e.g. if he claims an investigative role, he'd have to create fake results). Regardless, we're much better off leaving him off the lynch toDay and see what happens Tomorrow or the Day after.
I don't quite follow the train here. He claimed to be some role, nobody knowing what it is. If we assume he is town, there are very few scenarios and likelihoods in which he knows much about scum anyway, much less about their potential actions. Given the still high number of alive players, even if he could successfully investigate/protect/shoot someone, statistically he has very low chances of succeeding in uncovering anything game breaking. Scum could just as well frame him by leaving him alive for the next day, hoping for the best in terms of actions taken during the night (risk and reward), and then waiting for the right moment to build a case and a train against him.

Of course, bear in mind that we're talking about hypotheticals with variables that we have no clue about yet and thus all speculation at this point comes with a high degree of uncertainty and severe levels of risk.


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ZFR: Post #105 and post #128 seem to give different reasons for questioning me. Rereading it, there might not have been a conflict, but I pressed the matter because you seemed to be avoiding it.
I think y'all just miscommunicated, but the way y'all reacted is definitely sus.


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LordCephy: Until then I didn't know if PR meant Puerto Rico
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LordCephy: Wait, it doesn't?! My whole life is a lie!
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LordCephy:
Ikr? Rightful 51st state of the United States. I would like a vacation home in San Juan, please!
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ZFR: Do you have anything non-goofy to share? Any reads so far?
Ye. Some of y'all get on edge easily. NAI for now, especially since after so many years the meta play read just isn't there anymore. Plus, people change. For the newbies there isn't even anything there to read yet. But I digress. The exchange between you and Frosty seems a bit sus. Actually, y'all both sus. But not sus enough to warrant any action for now. Btw, didn't your avatar use to be shiny gold bars?

I miss dedo's Gucci Mane memeing.

Babark is perhaps the lurker that is most interesting so far because he's the one to post the least, but keeps a vote on just so. It's not the latter action that is incriminating of anything as much as the former. Back in my days scum got away quite a bit by reducing activity and even when I was scum, one could definitely sense a change in my activity patterns in those games (unless justified by real life reasons).

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ZFR: I want to push the lurkers.
I actually didn't notice that there are two of them, which is to say multiple. I should re-run through the thread to make sure I take some notes on everybody.

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Fixed the previous reply:

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LordCephy: Until then I didn't know if PR meant Puerto Rico
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dedoporno: Wait, it doesn't?! My whole life is a lie!
Ikr? Rightful 51st state of the United States. I would like a vacation home in San Juan, please!
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Ambiti0nZ: Given the still high number of alive players, even if he could successfully investigate/protect/shoot someone, statistically he has very low chances of succeeding in uncovering anything game breaking. Scum could just as well frame him by leaving him alive for the next day, hoping for the best in terms of actions taken during the night (risk and reward), and then waiting for the right moment to build a case and a train against him.
Nope. I know of a recent game where scum (against catte's better judgment) left alive a confirmed PR and lost because of it. And multiple recent games where some "useless" Town PRs left till the end got extremely powerful because they nicely confirmed each other, leaving scum outed. If Frost is Town, then Mafia take a *huge* risk leaving him alive "in order to frame him and wait for the right moment to build a case against him". Someone else might confirm Frost, which would lead Frost's actions to confirm yet someone else and start a nice chain reaction. That train might never come.

Possible? Sure. But very risky.

But my point still stnads: Frost, barring a major huge watcher-of-kalunga-type slip, is a terrible lynch today. If he's Town, let him be Mafia's problem. And if he is scum after all there will be better Days to lynch him later with more info.

I'm not sure I like your last posts.

Vote Ambitionz
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ZFR: (against catte's better judgment)
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JoeSapphire: Why'd you put the 'three' in brackets?
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ZFR: I explained why only 3 Mafiosi would make sense, if there was a slip.
I know it, but why'd you put the three in brackets? Why choose brackets or what were you thinking as you typed or however you want to approach it.