Bookwyrm627: nothing about Leoric Leoric_AKA_Leo: Hey! I'm playing this game with you!
Sorry about that. My read on you is relatively neutral. A little erratic, but my scum slots are full so you're probably town.
my name is supyreor catte: Throwing a godfather into the mix seems insane too. When you're adding extra scum to the game you wouldn't also give them an OP role like godfather.
I don't think the Godfather is OP. The mere fact that it exists says "You're going to have to play the game instead of blindly trusting whatever the Cop said", and that's all.
Scum don't get any extra power from it unless town just blindly believes the Cop was correc...oh. Yeah, I guess the godfather is OP. :P
I'll take a Lift lynch, though.
Bookwyrm627: Next, look at what happened last game, where Town only managed a single lynch, over the course of multiple game Days, before being at MyLo.
ZFR kicked off No Lynch then too. ZFR: Fake news.
You were the first to bring it up, and did so in Post 8. I stand by my statement.
ZFR: What I find strage is that apparently you didn't misread it. You knew it was RB+Goon vs 9 Townies. Yet somehow you believe that in the current setup Pooka added a thrid Mafioso
and a Godfather. Yes, very balanced:
I didn't pay further attention to that role list when the player count changed and Pooka had to rework it. I reread it when it was brought up again in the game thread. I also reread posts like 156, where Pooka indicates he has a setup, but he doesn't say what it was.
Let me reiterate that last point:
Pooka didn't say what the adjusted setup was. That means we don't know how it was adjusted when going from 11 players to 12 players. That means it is a closed setup. We know the 12th player "throws a wrench in the works" and we can reasonably guess that it is 9v3 (based both on the 25% guideline and on Pooka's words in 151). Maybe Pooka added Godfather and changed the Commuter into something more powerful; that's the point of a closed setup, that we don't know.
If Joe flips as 1x Commuter, I'll reconsider whether you're not Godfather. In the meantime? I'm waiting for hard information. Neither Cop nor Doctor are unusual enough roles for me to consider this setup effectively open. Note the following setup:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_game_with_some_rogues_and_a_lot_of_rouge/post1 Dogmaus: What do you mean by where the meta is gone?
I was too busy for Mafia for a RL year or so. My recollection is that No Lynch was rather more strenuously avoided than in this game and last game (for example, 3-4 years ago someone would very likely have been lynched, perhaps for very arbitrary reasons, as people scramble to avoid No Lynch). Lift's claim about my alignment fishing was weird; I'd have thought it obvious what I was looking for from him.
dedoporno: If Joe is a scum and aware of that list he would have thought he was FUBARed if he decided that was the claim that gave him the best chance to escape. Additionally, if he knows he's going down stat and he wants to make a high risk/high reward play why not just claim Cop and fish out the real one whom Joe likely already suspects to be Macho and won't be able to survive the Night if revealed? One already compromised scum trade for one of the most powerful Town roles seems like a pretty good deal to me.
And yet here we are, with the claimed Commuter nearly being called lock town simply because he claimed Commuter. A Doctor claim doesn't let him skate, a Vanilla claim is always a gamble when you're on the edge, but a minor PR claim is a
survival gambit.
Cadaver747: No counterclaim confirms it, risking his life to meet another Commuter confirms it even more. Don't you agree?
Obviously I don't agree, but it looks like I'm generally out-voted on this point.
Bookwyrm627: I think ZFR and Joe are scum. I'm not as sure about the third (and I think there is a third), but Lift or Dogmaus are by far my favorites.
ZFR: So he thinks scum!(ZFR+Joe+Lift) is a favorite possibility, yet doesn't see that if that were true then we could have coordinated the whole "Lift is Neutral" thing way way better given our Day chat. He must think the three of us are terrible players to drop the ball like this.
Mistakes can be made, especially if one player has very limited attention to spare while they're off hiking in the mountains and such. After all, if I'm right, then the three of you only had 48 hours from the Macho drop to work it out before the next Day phase, hampered by Joe's presence possibly being sporadic and Lift's presence very likely being sporadic. You suggested 3v8v1 right at the beginning of Day.
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Lift now claims Neutral Survivor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk ["And here we go" - Joker]
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dedoporno: I'm now curious how Wyrm managed to pinpoint Lift as the Neutral Survivor (which role came out of nowhere by the way).
...really, Dedo? You really wonder why I asked Lift, specifically, whether he was Neutral Survivor, specifically? Try the following:
PPE: I see ZFR has already claimed credit for that bit of insight, so removing the quote to save space.
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Anyway.
Vote Lift It's clear I'm not getting Joe toDay regardless, but Lift is just as good now.
ZFR: I'm caught up, so feel free to drop a vote any time.
