new page bug bump.

I agree. With emphasis on 'might', not 'should'. And ZFR demanding a claim by a hypothetical roleblocker looks off.

@ZFR: what became of not role-fishing? Shouldn't it be a PRs call whether to claim or not? Also, another NL vote? Really?

But to join the discussion: I don't believe scum would withhold a kill just on the chance that their is a blocker. It's not an open setup where a blocker is even guaranteed to be in the game and scum would be stupid to sacrifice a kill just because there might be a role that might block the executing nightkiller.

Well, but the effect of whatever happened at Night is a nice offset of the D1 NL - no death's at all, so far. No flips either. So we basically extended D1 by another Day. With only one person sticking out for refusing to hammer GH, when we were already very close to the deadline. Therefore I join the wagon.

vote Microfish

Either he refused to hammer because GH is a scumbuddy, or he refused to hammer because he wanted Town to go to NL (in which case the refusal doesn't say anything about GH's alignment). Or micro just didn't care that NL was a real risk at the time. In any case Micro looks quite anti-town.

Upon reflection, I agree that Mafia almost certainly didn't withhold the kill. The whole discussion might be moot since RB is more typically a scum role than a town role (I think).

To answer Joe's question: If we somehow see that they did withhold the N1 kill, then I'd be looking first at the trickier players.

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Moving on. Wagon analysis time!

GH Wagon: catte, Bookwyrm, ZFR, Lifthrasil, JoeSapphire, dedoporno

Off wagon: flubbucket, GymHenson, Microfish, Leoric

AFK: Dogmaus, Mango

-I don't fault GH for not hammering himself, regardless of alignment. He was sitting on the main other wagon at the time (Joe) and never moved off. NAI.
-I totally fault Micro for not hammering. I fault the green right out of Micro's grass for not hammering. Post 210, 221, and 261 make for a horrid look, on top of his other posts during D1. Kind of makes me wonder if he's a Jester or something.
-Flub had the chance to hammer and was aware of it (Post 251). He chose not to do so. Fault, but this is in line with Post 236. Kind of makes me think we don't have town GH and scum Flub; scum Flub might spare his buddy, and town Flub might doubt the wagon, but I'm not sure whether scum Flub spares town GH.
-Leoric's last post was 216, when Joe was the leading wagon with 4 votes and GH was at 2 votes. However, Leoric had his vote sitting on Mango, whom he had already acknowledged was a non-starter in post 211.

Dogmaus and Mango have been pretty chronically absent or non-participatory. This is an independent problem, and because of it I don't see anything to read from their vote status by End of Day.

hm yes. I like this

Why? What do you like about it?

No duh. Of course it's their call; it's not like I'm going to claim for them. And I stand by my call that they *should* (not "might". Should) claim. Let them be fished out; 1 for 1 is good.


Really really.

12 "Retrying Things" Votecount

Microfish (4) - Bookwyrm, JoeSapphire, ZFR, Lifthrasil

Not voting: Microfish, flubbucket, dogmaus, GymHenson, catte, Leoric, Mango, dedoporno
It takes 7 votes to reach majority. Closest to lynch is Microfish (L-3).

5 days and 21 hours left.

A new day dawns, and more posts....I will be replying to people in turn.
First up: ZFR (no votes in this post)
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!?

My response to this sort suggestion

If I didn't know any better, I would say it's almost like you WANT to be suspected.

Reagan then thinks for a bit, and then waves his hand dismissively while saying "Nahhhhhhhhhhhh"

Wait, do you actually think Micro would land scum two games in a row?

Hmm, it is possible(albeit less likely, afaik)....what to do, what to do.....

This is essentially just a rehash of what Book said in Post 279....stop copying off other people's papers. o.0 ;)

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(bump needed)

no you don't need a bump, stop lying

Next up: Lift
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(also lol OP)
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Imo we didn't....we didn't get a lynch, but we had several wagons built up, with people voting/not voting and posting about such leading up to and before the EOD. This is all stuff others can analyze(like Book did in the post below yours)

I like having Micro around, but wouldn't mind a Micro lynch.

That said, as I asked ZFR: do you really think Micro would roll scum two games in a row?

He could also be trying to keep me as a distraction and/or pocket me, if he is indeed scum again.

Tch. Micro's alignment last game is completely and totally irrelevant to alignments for this game.

Micro had exactly the same chance of being scum this game that any of us had.

Suggestion: Be helpful instead of a distraction.

Nextly up: Bookwyrm
(no votes yet again...etc etc)
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First off, a few town points for doing some analysis...now onto your post:

Tbh, I considered it....as I provide a distraction scum often seem to capitalize off of in a number of games, and I wanted to remove said distraction(hence part of why I was ok with being the lynch on D1). Of course, that said, I decided against it for various reasons.

I also feel something might be(key words) amiss with ZFR.
(check my latest reply to him a few posts back, for some reasons why)

As for Micro....I don't think he'd be "lucky" enough to land scum two games in a row(my thought is that it's more likely that they want to just keep me in game because they like my posts and etc, as they said before), though it might be possible, and as such i'd also be up for a Micro lynch.....mainly if no other lynch was viable, of course(as I also like their posts and don't suspect them too much atm).

Question: do you think we have a scum in amongst the lurkers/newbies? If so, who and why do you think such?

But what are the odds that one would be scum in two games in a row? Would they be the same or similar?

This is a game....I play it to have fun(while of course not affecting the fun of the other players if I can help it).

If anyone doesn't like my play style, I am open to suggestions(if civil and within reason).

If anyone still doesn't like it, they can file a complaint herein

Addition to the post above: I am trying to be helpful.

I am asking questions, pointing out things I suspect, and even offered to be the lynch on D1 to avoid another (likely better) town possibly being the lynch. Yet you don't see that as being helpful(enough)?

If you're town: maybe instead of making digs at my play style, you could take the things I do give and work along with me to help us find scum?

Might be. Read my posts to see which of them I'm currently willing to voice suspicion about.

The odds that Micro would be scum two games in a row is completely independent of the odds that Micro is scum this game.

Question 1: Does Micro being scum last game affect the chance that Micro is scum this game?
Answer 1: No.

Question 2: Considering Answer 1, what are the odds that Micro is scum this game?
Answer 2: [Number of scum] / 12

Comparison: Roll two separate dice, one at a time. Does the result of the first die affect the result of the second die? No, it does not. We do not care nor even need consider the odds of Micro being scum two games in a row because it has zero bearing on the odds of Micro being scum in this game.

One suggestion: don't continue to push lines of thought that are irrelevant, especially after they've been demonstrated as irrelevant. If you have a counter-argument, then present it.

If you think you are being a distraction to town and you wish to change this, then consider what about your play style is being distracting.