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Posted November 21, 2020
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dedoporno: That's why I said every other day. Or maybe I'm not following the pattern correctly.
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dedoporno: Never mind, I'm dumb. I forgot that the NK also happens and along with the lynch will always keep the number odd.
You're not alone. I wasn't thinking about NKs at all and ZFRs numbers weren't making any sense to me.
Posted November 21, 2020

Microfish_1 replaces Engerek01 effective immediately.

Fastest and smoothest replacement ever!
Post edited November 21, 2020 by my name is sadde catte
Posted November 21, 2020
Sorry been distracted with Grandsons second birthday and World of Warcraft. About to head to tabletop game night here shortly, but after going over the thread I haven't seen much except for ZFR trying to rationalize a no lynch on Day 1 for some reason. No matter what the math tells you as far as numbers go it can't tell you what you get from reactions and behavior from a lynch or a push for a lynch, so to me a no lynch is a very bad idea and an anti-town play.

Vote ZFR
Posted November 21, 2020
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trentonlf: ZFR trying to rationalize a no lynch on Day 1 for some reason.
Say what now?
Posted November 22, 2020
After wrapping my head around ZFR's explanation, I...am entranced by the idea of a no-lynch, I think. However, I do think it's not favorable for us to waste this mathematical no-lynch on D1, for a reason: yes, wagon analysis. I know I bring those two words up often, but I do believe that they can lead to somewhere and especially more so here with no power roles to muddy the water. So unless we're not gonna do wagon analysis, we shouldn't think about it on D1 at the very least.

...but now that I think about it, NL is tempting to increase chances on paper, but it comes at the cost of wagon analysis on any day. We'll effectively have to base off "alignment by vote patterns" based off incomplete vote counts, more or less.
Posted November 22, 2020
I'm present, but very much not available over the weekend.

Also, no lynch is bad, Korotan.

More tomorrow or on Monday.
Posted November 22, 2020
Mayby I need to be Mafia for one time to understand it. I only know that people often mistook me for being one of them because "I whas to jumpy wanting to lynch" cause I whas to early or to late. This went so far that last game where I whas neutral I did not even voted anymore cause I did not wanted to be suspicious. From my opinion we would learn more from who accuses whom and so does the scum. Personally I am for no lynch to give them no information and let them guess into the blue but we could get information on who killed them too and more informations if the person would have said something and great I confused myself again
Posted November 22, 2020
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ZFR: Never played an all-vanilla Mafia game, so I don't know how it's done. Mathematically it doesn't matter. In practice... I don't know.
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dedoporno: There was supposed to be a "better" somewhere in there.
but betting is forbidden :P
"There was supposed to be a "bester" somewhere in there."
FTFY
Posted November 22, 2020
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Microfish_1: FTFY
What does it mean?
Posted November 22, 2020
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Korotan: What does it mean?
"Fixed That For You"
Posted November 22, 2020
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Korotan: What does it mean?
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dedoporno: "Fixed That For You"
https://youtu.be/WJlZLG9UXSY?t=52
Posted November 22, 2020
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Korotan: Mayby I need to be Mafia for one time to understand it. I only know that people often mistook me for being one of them because "I whas to jumpy wanting to lynch" cause I whas to early or to late. This went so far that last game where I whas neutral I did not even voted anymore cause I did not wanted to be suspicious. From my opinion we would learn more from who accuses whom and so does the scum. Personally I am for no lynch to give them no information and let them guess into the blue but we could get information on who killed them too and more informations if the person would have said something and great I confused myself again
This the reason why I am against the idea of the no-lynch. If everyone agrees to no-lynch, there is little productive discussion to the game for the rest of that day. Only scum benefit from the lack of discussion, as they already have their hit list ready to go.
Posted November 22, 2020
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bucktoothgamer: This the reason why I am against the idea of the no-lynch. If everyone agrees to no-lynch, there is little productive discussion to the game for the rest of that day. Only scum benefit from the lack of discussion, as they already have their hit list ready to go.
I don't think it's a good idea to start with it for sure but I am curious if it's indeed mathematically "correct" to do it and if it matters when it's done.
Posted November 22, 2020
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dedoporno: I don't think it's a good idea to start with it for sure but I am curious if it's indeed mathematically "correct" to do it and if it matters when it's done.
Yes, it's correct, and no it doesn't matter.

Mathematically. Meaning: assume all votes/NKs are random otherwise.

Check the table here
[url=https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Vanilla_(Open_Setup]https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Vanilla_(Open_Setup[/url])

All % for even are identical to the odd ones.
Posted November 22, 2020
i don't like the concept of NL. I wanna have something to analyze. Who jumps on whom, etc. Who jumps off, falls off, or is pushed off the wagon. I want to see who is filled with profundity in their comments and who is not. I want to see the fella who is eating my apple pie. Because we have no specials to help us out at night, I want to see analyzation and rationalization. I wanna see the beefeeters do their job. I want to see who obfuscates and who aids....you get the idea?

In ZFR's calculations, I don't see how NL ever *benefits* town, just how it mathematically doesn't *hurt* town.

However, is this the time to say ZFR's immortal phrase "I have a PR! I dare you to NK me, you scum!"? I thought not.
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