reporting you to the mod for breaking the rulez.
Who's Phil Collins?

Ok, that's your "oh, boobs" post.

Was the drummer of Genesis, became a MOTR '80s pop star.

This is just awful, I want my money back!

bucktoothgamer is dead, bucktoothgamer was an delicious tunabeef (town).

It is now D3, you may begin posting.

I'm thinking about 19:00 UTC on Thursday the 17th of December for the deadline.

With 8 players, 5 votes are required for lunch.

Where was my amazing post... here it is.

Trent-lyching folk:
ZFR - dedoporno - nmillar - GH - Lift

Non-Trent lynching folk after excluding the two deads:
joppo - JoeSapphire

I know I'm Town folk:
Pookina

I like how we lynched Micro, from the non-Trent group, and the Mafia chose buck, from the non-Trent group. An attempt to invoke WIFOM (assuming they gave any weight to how I grouped them)? Still, I'm fairly confident that Joppo is more likely to flip scum than Joe in that group. So I'm going off with that.

Vote Joppo.

Well this is unfurtunate...

Hypothesis: Joe is Town.


Proof:

Assume joppo is his scumbuddy.
Would scum!Joe so brazenly accuse Micro and start his wagon, knowing that Micro would flip Town and thus draw attention to himself, and his buddy joppo, who was on the leading wagon before Micro's started.

Assume joppo is Town
Why would scum!Joe start a Microwagon, when another Townie is already the leading wagon and under suspicion?

Since joppo can only be scum or Town, therefore, by law of excluded middle, Joe is Town.

Comments?

Ouch. This didn't go the way I expected it would. (Dammit Micro)

Yes. Technically your hypothesis exclude the possibility where Joe is scum and I'm not. Would that scenario make sense?

While you can say that my lynch was well underway and scum!Joe wouldn't have to move a finger for a D2 lynch, getting Micro under suspicion would be a low risk gambit because the suspicion over me wouldn't just go away on D3 (as evidenced by Pooka above you voting me). So if played right it would give him an extra lynch and the potential for a bunch of townpoints based on pure WIFOM. "He must be Town because Scum would never do that!" (except when they do counting on that reaction)

That said, if you ask me if I'm accusing Joe of being scum, I'd say no. His focus on Micro did feel town-like. If I were getting scumvibes from Joe there I'd feel much more conflicted about voting Micro.

First of all, thanks everyone for bearing with me and not minding the game stalling for a while - I did need it and it's very appreciated.


Now back to the game.

Before I had to step away I was feeling confident enough that we had a good shot with Joppo but now I'm pretty much certain he's scum. Even though I do appreciate the thought of closing the day "for my sake" I don't think that was the only reason behind it. The fact that Joppo made the executive decision to hammer at the first given opportunity (when Catte had already extended the day) without even discussing it with the rest doesn't hint at a Town mindset. I assume it wasn't all just scum agenda through and through and part of it was in fact meant to help me out a bit (and thank you for that, Joppo) but I seriously doubt it was the main reason.

That being said, I do agree with ZFR's musings about Joe.

Joe more or less engineered the shift in wagons which doesn't make absolutely no sense if Joppo is actually scum.

If Joppo isn't scum, which I doubt, I suppose there is a slight chance that scum!Joe was playing some wifom game and he may have not meant for things to turn out the way they did but just mix it up a bit, sow a couple of seeds of doubt to point the attention of others "prepare" a second target for the next day but this is quite a stretch.

Based on that and the general feeling I had from before I'd agree that Joe is unlikely to be scum.


It appears it wasn't that low risk, though.


Do you have an idea who the scums might be?

No it doesn't.

"Assume joppo is Town
Why would scum!Joe start a Microwagon, when another Townie is already the leading wagon and under suspicion? "

The double negative here isn't supposed to infer the positive but it's a mistake. That should read "[...] which makes absolutely no sense [...]".

Ugh, I feel like an idiot.
You're right, it is right there. I just parsed it incorrectly.

Sorry mate, but if you want scum you should look elsewhere. Tho I admit I would have my suspicions if I was in your shoes. Too bad they're misplaced.

It would be low risk for scum!Joe. If there's a townie on the path to getting lynched and he starts a secondary wagon, even if it goes nowhere he gets the towncred of trying to avoid a mislynch. If both wagons are Town, whoever goes to L-0 is a win for scum. I'd say if Joe is scum he got the best possible outcome, but it hadn't worked he would mostly attract a few looks of suspicion that probably wouldn't amount to much.

Hmmm I gave it some thought during the night and I thought I would like to get a better look at Lift, Pooka and NMillar at a first moment. Also, despite my saying Joe's push on Micro felt towny I can't say it was pure townvibes until there.

I have a feeling either could be scum, but I am willing to go with Joppo atm....call it(among other things, like what i've talked about before on prior "days") a gut feeling.

(I won't vote, though, until after I post replies to everyone I need to reply to at the moment and process what the newest posts contain in my mind a bit)

++++

*Bump Needed*

If i've learned anything from these games, it's that anything(including that) can be possible...including the possibility that both are scum.
(along with the other possibilities, of course, like one being town and one being scum or both being town...of course I feel at least one of them is scum due to how various posts have come off to me and a "gut feeling" I have)

That actually is not a bad idea.

But it would only work *if* he scum!Joe was sure that town!joppo would be lynched anyway and his new Micro wagon won't take off.