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Posted October 21, 2020
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trentonlf: No, the actual chances of helping scum was 3 or 4 out of 12 because any scum in any game I've played has had the ability to do the NK. I also highly doubt scum would have left me alive if I had given them the ability to do 2 NK's as it would immediately get one of them lynched.
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dedoporno: Sure you can empower ANY scum but only one of them is doing an actual kill. The other one is supposedly infecting people and the other(s) do whatever else. So the chance of the actual kill is 1/13, no? Two infected would have been great actually as we would have you confirmed and a scum exposed.
If trent had chosen the Infector, then the infector would have probably chosen to do NK instead of infect. We'd have had 2 NKs and 0 infections.
Posted October 21, 2020
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trentonlf: It's still not 1 in 13, it's still 3 or 4 (depending on how many scum there are) out of 13. I can certainly tell you that if I was scum then as soon as I was given the ability to do 2 night actions it would be two night kills.
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ZFR: If trent had chosen the Infector, then the infector would have probably chosen to do NK instead of infect. We'd have had 2 NKs and 0 infections.
Fair points. I absolutely neglected the fact that the scum can opt to kill and no do their other thing so I apologize for this. I still don't buy it as whole, though. It would have been a lot easier if you tried to confirm yourself, especially when you know people know how good of a liar you are likely won't believe just your word. My vote stays.
Posted October 21, 2020
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ZFR: By the way, I don't believe at all bucktooth was targeted and not Vitek. No scum team would target a new player on N1 unless he was a major threat to them. This doesn't of course mean bucktooth is scum.
But yet Blotunga said matter-of-factly(while later seemingly claiming it was poor wording?) that Bucktooth was the NK target in that one prior post.
(Yeah, I keep going back to that one post...and it might've been a mistake by town!blotunga...but I feel it's more likely it wasn't...call it a hunch)

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ZFR: Also, if trent is scum, I want a closer look at Joe.
But Joe voted for Trent.

Also what if trent is town? What then?
Posted October 21, 2020
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dedoporno: But others don't know if flub is Town. He's neutral at best in my opinion. Vitek apparently was suspicious of him as he jailed him (I doubt he was trying to protect him).
That makes me wonder: did he? All we have is Flub's and Blotunga's word...as Vitek obviously cannot confirm.

(Of course maybe Vitek jailed Flub and maybe Flub and/or blotunga are town...still, I don't think we can just assume Flub's claim of being jailed is 100% verified at this point, can we?)

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dedoporno: Obviously any scum can do the kill but only one (out of thirteen players) can be the one actually doing it.
True enough

Question/musing: If trent is town & has the role he stated, and he picked scum, would that power be given to that scum BEFORE or AFTER scum had chosen the person who'd do the NK that night?
Posted October 21, 2020
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GymHenson: ....
Question/musing: If trent is town & has the role he stated, and he picked scum, would that power be given to that scum BEFORE or AFTER scum had chosen the person who'd do the NK that night?
If I understood correctly, the recipient gets the ability BEFORE the night begins as stated here

So the order would be:
1. Handyman chooses a target and informs the DM
2. DM informs the target at the start of the night.
3a. If the recipient is scum, he would naturally inform their team
3b. The target(recipient) performs the action twice
Posted October 21, 2020
Not sure how active I will be tomorrow as its my wife's bday, I did want to touch on a couple points that have been brought up.

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GymHenson: Also what do you make of Blotunga confirming Flub's jailing in Post 801? Knowing that scum or town can be jailed, why would Blotunga bother confirming such(and soft claim in the process)?
Im not really sure there is anything there to hold on to? If flub is lying about being jailed then blot is lying about a failed attempt at targeting. Honestly, blots response to any questions towards them since d2 started has been to attack the character of those questioning them(mostly you, gh). That just tells me theyre running out of excuses and im still confident in my vote.

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bucktoothgamer: you along with trent were on my top scum list on D1 anyway, but this just kind of cements it.
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JoeSapphire: you think trentonlf is town now, though?
Im still leaning scum side for trent, but blot is just so blatant right now trent is not first priority for me. I cant fault them for not using their night action first night as I would have chosen to do the same thing were I given the choice. On the other hand, their outburst about not getting to use their power does not seem to match up with the restraint that they allegedly showed when the time really came. As it stands right now I wouldn't change my vote, but if a considerable wagon was built on them I would be okay with sending it home with what we know at this moment.
Posted October 21, 2020
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GymHenson: ............


Btw Blotunga didn't soft claim until after both I had started to suspect them AND flub said they had been jailed by Vitek....maybe he felt some "heat" from my direction re: my suspicions of him?


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They??


Where did I say I was jailed with someone??
Posted October 21, 2020
Replied to Engerek and Bucktooth:
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Engerek01: If I understood correctly, the recipient gets the ability BEFORE the night begins as stated here

So the order would be:
1. Handyman chooses a target and informs the DM
2. DM informs the target at the start of the night.
3a. If the recipient is scum, he would naturally inform their team
3b. The target(recipient) performs the action twice
Thanks for the info/pointing that out.

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bucktoothgamer: Not sure how active I will be tomorrow as its my wife's bday, I did want to touch on a couple points that have been brought up.
Tell her Happy Birthday from all of us, k? :)

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bucktoothgamer: Im not really sure there is anything there to hold on to? If flub is lying about being jailed then blot is lying about a failed attempt at targeting. Honestly, blots response to any questions towards them since d2 started has been to attack the character of those questioning them(mostly you, gh). That just tells me theyre running out of excuses and im still confident in my vote.
I also was asking with that: do you think Flub is also likely to be scum or not?

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Posted October 21, 2020
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flubbucket: They??

Where did I say I was jailed with someone??
By "they" I meant you and you alone....that is the pronoun I chose to use when writing that reply.

(The word they can be used to refer to a singular person as well)

(I somewhat recall your post, btw, where you said something along the lines of being fitted with/being given a communicator and only being able to talk with yourself.....then iirc a few others made jokes about that as well later on...fun times)

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To all: Going off ta bed soon, y'all....will catch ya later on the flip side when I awaken.
(Around 10-12 hours from now or a bit longer...that includes some tv time btw)
Posted October 21, 2020
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Engerek01: It kinda caught my eye when JoeSapphire didn't want to acknowledge the fact that there is a sniper in the game. Maybe he didn't read that part or he is the sniper himself and replied without thinking to the case.
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JoeSapphire: does that make sense?

Is that your only reason for voting me?
Not him but I find this and fact that you were on Vitek's suspicion list off about you. If you were scum I guess you would have wanted him out of your way. Not enough suspicion to vote at this point though. Also I think one of you or trent is scum, in a mutually exclusive kind of way. Since he didn't prove himself despite the possible opportunity I'm leaning more towards him being scum.

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Hunter65536: This (and his subsequent posts) seems like stronger reaction than warranted but others can correct me in case my baseline is wrong.
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Called it..... way before everyone else and no one cared, we are about 1 day late but better Nate than lever
Vote trentonlf

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GymHenson: ...
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ZFR: Also, if trent is scum, I want a closer look at Joe.
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GymHenson: But Joe voted for Trent.

Also what if trent is town? What then?
Pretty much my reaction to that post, there is no reason why scum!Joe would call so much attention towards scum!Trent

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bucktoothgamer: Not sure how active I will be tomorrow as its my wife's bday, I did want to touch on a couple points that have been brought up.
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Well, happy birthday to her :)
Posted October 21, 2020
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Hunter65536: Pretty much my reaction to that post, there is no reason why scum!Joe would call so much attention towards scum!Trent
Oh, I'm pretty sure scum!joe would bus scum!trent if needed.

Also maybe there is merit in finding out about the safe claims. Especially if trent is scum and zfr claimed to him.

On the other hand there is logic in that he didn't want to give scum an extra NK.
Posted October 21, 2020
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GymHenson: .................

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To all: Going off ta bed soon, y'all....will catch ya later on the flip side when I awaken.
(Around 10-12 hours from now or a bit longer...that includes some tv time btw)
Of course you mean when they awaken, right??
Posted October 21, 2020
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Hunter65536: Pretty much my reaction to that post, there is no reason why scum!Joe would call so much attention towards scum!Trent
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blotunga: Oh, I'm pretty sure scum!joe would bus scum!trent if needed.

Also maybe there is merit in finding out about the safe claims. Especially if trent is scum and zfr claimed to him.

On the other hand there is logic in that he didn't want to give scum an extra NK.
Was it needed in this context though? I would admit that's true if there was some heat on Trent at start of d2 but as far as I could see ZFR was pretty sure that trent was confirmed at start of day 2. If Joe and Trent were a team, shouldn't they have leveraged that?
Posted October 21, 2020
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Hunter65536: Was it needed in this context though? I would admit that's true if there was some heat on Trent at start of d2 but as far as I could see ZFR was pretty sure that trent was confirmed at start of day 2. If Joe and Trent were a team, shouldn't they have leveraged that?
Likely you're right. That doesn't makes joe town. Actually if trent's claim turns out to be true, might even make joe a lynch candidate tomorrow. So would scum!joe try to get rid of town!trent?
Posted October 21, 2020
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Hunter65536: Was it needed in this context though? I would admit that's true if there was some heat on Trent at start of d2 but as far as I could see ZFR was pretty sure that trent was confirmed at start of day 2. If Joe and Trent were a team, shouldn't they have leveraged that?
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blotunga: Likely you're right. That doesn't makes joe town. Actually if trent's claim turns out to be true, might even make joe a lynch candidate tomorrow. So would scum!joe try to get rid of town!trent?
So what's stopping you from voting Trent to validate his claim then? Isn't that the easiest way to figure out the answer? Plus I think even Joe knows he would be d3 lynch if he was trying to pull this as scum against town!trent.
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