Ah, I think you're misreading neutral as natural. So in the context of mafia, neutral means neither town nor scum. We don't know for sure whether there are any neutral players in the game, although ZFR's claimed role suggests there might be.

Yeah, my role is also in the "Any" category. I have a theory that Liftrasil has done that for balancing purposes. He might not have any any intention of putting a scum or neutral Crazy Inventor in the game, but because my role can be proven if the role was listed as guaranteed town then I would be 100% confirmed at this point. Your role is also self-proving because your target gets informed that you've acted on them. If genderbender was guaranteed town then you'd essentially be confirmed by now.

The first 2 kills were both sniper kills. So they can't be with a smaller gun or by Buck. Unless I am missing something here... again :)

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Well obviously Catte Investigated Buck.....it wasn't a kill attempt or (since it failed) Catte would be dead now.

So now we must ask, was it townish Catte trying to see if Buck was scum, or Scumish Catte trying to see if Buck's coward role was genuine.

(I am assuming it's more likely the former rather than the latter, btw)

As for ZFR: If the medic comes forward they can verify they cured ZFR of that infection and vet a town.....so I suggest they come forward(there's little reason for them to hide now, with the infector gone, and they could very likely verify ZFR as town)

(Working on remembering about the others...will post more thought later hopefully)

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To the town medic: I think you should come forward and claim/verify who you healed.....if you want to help town, it would help if you could verify ZFR's claim.

(Bump needed)

Ah no, I have a habit of mistyping certain words. I have it as neutral in my notes. Thank you for the correction and the excellent explanation. I also do believe that there should be a 3rd role that makes ZFR's role not pointless.

Also, there is a lot of discussion going on about the more active people but how about the remaining 3: Hunter, Korotan, and Flub?

The first NK was iirc a "shot to the head that was messy".

Thing is, some smaller weapons with large caliber can also deliver such wounds from closer ranges.

(Of course this is just me musing....I am starting to believe Buck is more likely town atm)

So you're saying you're neutral? Then if that's the case, what is (paraphrased, to avoid breaking game rules) your win condition? If town wins, if scum wins, or if any team wins?

Notes: Oddly enough, one of em was the other sender last "night"(the one I turned down btw).

Also I am guessing one is likely to be the medic.

(I say that one is likely the medic as there's no use to the medic's role atm and it would verify ZFR's claim most likely if they claimed....which I hope they will do)

Whoops, missed some posts. When I last looked there was only a GH post after mine, when I

reloaded I thought I saw the same post from GH but it was actually a completely different

one!

btg and dedo were both seen visiting blotunga the night he died. We know Joe is telling the

truth about that because of his flip and we know dedo is the sniper because of his flip. So

what would hypothetical scum!btg be doing also visiting blotunga? Even if he has some

investigative role, why would the scum team investigate and nightkill the same person?

Well it's not impossible that he actually targeted you trusting that a medic would come and

heal you, but I agree it's unlikely.

I confirmed with Trent that I can use friendly neighbour but I decided information was a

better idea. I tried to cop korotan by using some kind of robot mind probe but apparently

it, uh... picked the wrong end and woke korotan up. Apparently korotan saw me and I ran

away.
So if nothing else korotan should be able to confirm I wasn't busy murdering Joe.

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What makes you think there'd be a correlation between who messaged a player and who killed

him?

Yeah, I'm on board with that. As you say, there's no more infections to heal. We know

there's a medic and it wouldn't make any sense for there to be more than one.

It was town Catte trying to see if Buck's role was genuine actually. Coward is a town-only

role, so if I could verify his claim I'd know he must be town.

Last night I used a normal cop ability on korotan because I didn't have a claim to verify.

Unfortunately it malfunctioned again.

All the medic could confirm was that they targeted ZFR with their healing ability, it says

nothing of ZFR's alignm

catte, you there? What were your N3 actions?

Hah, I posted them before you asked! But I forgot to turn word wrap off before copying so that was a well timed bump, thank you.


Whoops, missed some posts. When I last looked there was only a GH post after mine, when I reloaded I thought I saw the same post from GH but it was actually a completely different one!

btg and dedo were both seen visiting blotunga the night he died. We know Joe is telling the truth about that because of his flip and we know dedo is the sniper because of his flip. So what would hypothetical scum!btg be doing also visiting blotunga? Even if he has some investigative role, why would the scum team investigate and nightkill the same person?

Well it's not impossible that he actually targeted you trusting that a medic would come and heal you, but I agree it's unlikely.

I confirmed with Trent that I can use friendly neighbour but I decided information was a better idea. I tried to cop korotan by using some kind of robot mind probe but apparently it, uh... picked the wrong end and woke korotan up. Apparently korotan saw me and I ran away.
So if nothing else korotan should be able to confirm I wasn't busy murdering Joe.

facepalm.gif

What makes you think there'd be a correlation between who messaged a player and who killed him?

Yeah, I'm on board with that. As you say, there's no more infections to heal. We know there's a medic and it wouldn't make any sense for there to be more than one.

It was town Catte trying to see if Buck's role was genuine actually. Coward is a town-only role, so if I could verify his claim I'd know he must be town.

Last night I used a normal cop ability on korotan because I didn't have a claim to verify. Unfortunately it malfunctioned again.

All the medic could confirm was that they targeted ZFR with their healing ability, it says nothing of ZFR's alignment. ZFR is probably town, but the medic has nothing to do with that.

No, the 1st NK also was " It is quite clear that she was sniped."

I am town. But my role is under the neutral section so even if I proved I am a genderbender, I can't yet prove that I am town.

Am I allowed to say my win condition? I do not want to break any rules :)

I was also thinking that the medic can come forward since their role is no longer useful as the infector is eliminated. Still, what then? Can we believe him/her to be the medic? How can they prove themselves?

The medic will confirm himself. Not me.

I saw I made a stupid mistake and didn't see how Buck could be cleared until someone pointed it out.....then I unvoted.....plz do keep up. :)

(Also maybe perhaps refresh a bit more....I mean it is me we're talking about.....I do post a lot and sometimes change my mind a bit and do so quickly :))

I would assume the medic is told if the healing is successful or not.

As such, it would confirm ZFR a bit more....as why would scum infect a fellow scum, thus leading to him needing to be healed? ;)

*thinking eddie murphy meme*

Why would you confirm with Trent??

I'm gonna assume in scum chat.

I know a medic exists 100%. If someone claims Medic and no one counterclaims, that person is a 100% medic then, barring Myself and him being both scum and coming up with this plot.

My mistake...thanks for clearing that up. :)

Open a reply window to one of Lift's posts and ask if you're curious.....that or PM him to his PM box.

If no one counterclaims. We had an infector so it's near certain we have a medic. So if no one counters they become verified town(as ZFR posted a bit after this post).