I am dumb, I am very upfront about my dumbness

Sorry, didn't mean to imply. I just wasn't sure what it is that you didn't get, the trap itself, or later discussions on whether/how catte can clera himself.

Here it is:
_ I told scum!trent via courier that I investigated flub on N1
_ I told everyone else in my claim that I investigated trent on N1
_ catte asked me about my flub-investigation on N1. How did he know I investigated flub? He claims he misread my claim.

1. Cool
2. Hmm I didn't see it in scum roles thing on signup so I felt that way
3. Joe saw Buck and Dedo visit blotunga, why would 2 scum visit same target?
4. Trent was an infector who visited you on n1 along with Gym according to Joe, why would scum visit fellow scum on n1? That too an infector hitting a teammate?

For 3 and 4 I'm going on information in post #1142

No problem, I am admittedly bad at reading stuff here. I didn't get the ways he could clear himself especially when new terms ('check for innocent child' or something similar) were thrown in I gave up too soon. Let me re-read that, I don't want to be a low effort lazy player. Thank you for laying that out for me though!

Well since Joe flipped tracker AND dedo flipped scum, why on earth would I be visiting blot With dedo unless I was hiding behind blot as I said. What would be the purpose of two scum visiting the NK Target?

Also some other points to make:
1. Whoever is still alive for scum lost interest in me, as I hid behind flubb last night.

2. I know would prefer to be addressed as Marge, as I am now the prettiest of the pretty girls.

Noooo. Not joe, my partner in crime... solving. RIP JOE, you will never be forgotten.

Question: Can natural roles really be scum? Then all those roles could also be scum?

Shelterer
Genderbenderer
Power Thief
Courier
Crazy Inventor

I always considered scum roles as separate. And since scum are mutants in this game, can a courier be a scum role in this concept?

bucktoothgamer is cleared in my eyes. Since both BTG and dedo visited blot while she was murdered and dedo turned out to be the killer, I see no reason for him visiting dedo the same night if he was the remaining scum. I still turned him to female hoping Joe could watch "her" and see if there is any activity. ~sobs~

My current view on the suspects:

Korotan and Hunter are Medic and Scout.
flub is the remaining scum.

This was of course written before I have read the new "day's" posts.....will do so and reply in a bit.
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The new morning dawned as I stretched and got up to take a much needed "toilet break", as my acenstors would call it.

Lucky for me, only 2 of my fellow companions had wanted messages sent last night.....the one I chose being the (hopefully) honorable Bucktooth, who had written the name Joe as the recipient.

That night, as I tossed the other message, I felt a tinge of sadness and regret at not being able to send both, but I had made my mind up from the start....one message per night only...and I was, if nothing else, a man of my word.

As I finished up and set about to finding something to eat, I hoped...beyond that we'd all survive....that I had chosen well.

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You say this as if you know it....do you know it(Catte being scum) to be true? If so, could you tell/remind me how you know this plz?

Also think for a sec......according to the signup, if Catte had used a killing attempt on Buck he would be dead now. As Catte is alive, that means Catte used either a protective or investigative power/thing.

Now please ask yourself: Why would a scum!Catte investigate Buck or protect them?

(Well maybe Buck is lying and is scum as well, and we have 4 scum...does this seem possible to you?)

I meant (if we're going with there being 3 scum only) back during early game it would've negatively impacted scum somewhat.

How does killing any scum (in general, I mean) normally end the game? You mean if there is only 1 scum left and we get them, or something else with that bit above?


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(Need a bump)

Noooooooo, I'm sorry I doubted you!

This does make things easier for me though because it resolves what would have otherwise been a massive distraction for me.

Trap in inverted commas is right. The idea was good but the execution was flawed.

Yeah, you're not cleared as far as I'm concerned. You and trent are plenty experienced enough to set up a fake infection ruse.

I'm much more inclined to believe btg at this point. Joe's actions have been confirmed by his flip and we know that dedo was the sniper so I can't see a reason scum!btg would also visit the NK target.

It's explained in the signup thread: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shelter_a_fallout_themed_forum_mafia_game_signup/post2

Some roles are town only, some roles are scum only and some roles can be any alignment.

(Nothing in this post is a vote)
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To be clear, my role is listed under any alignment section in the signups, I believe.
(That said I am town, although obv I cannot confirm this 100%)

Also afaik Catte is more or less confirmed inventor by Buck (iirc) saying he heard Catte the one "night".

Lastly, how is buck cleared due to dedo flipping sniper? Are you saying he's confirmed town by that? If that is what you meant....then how has he been locked town by that?

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To all: I find it convenient that Buck sent a message last "night", despite being seemingly hesitant to do so when I suggested it on D3.

And now Joe is dead....the same player Bucktooth messaged, "oddly enough".....so we cannot confirm what the message was from Joe.

Anyone else thinking maybe Buck's message to Joe was: "Haha, I am scum Buck....you all killed my scum mates....prepare to die!"?

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(Bump needed)

OK, I guess there is a point there.


And Joe actually confirmed trent visited me. All that part of a ruse? Infector is Mafia's strongest PR, you think it'd be wasted like this?
But OK, happy to see you actually believe it's possible.

Any way, did you clear or "clear" yourself. What did you do this Night?

So, excluding myself and dead players

Cleared (non Mafia):
bucktoothgamer
GH (not due to role, but his actions)

Here is an idea: a non-counterlaimed Medic effectively becomes Innocent Child. What do you think, should the Medic go for it? His role is useless with Infector dead, so it'd basically be a VT turning into Innocent Child.

Aha. Thank you. The "ANY OR NATURAL" either said NATURAL before or I misread that part while copying to my notes. I also read that part again and realized the wording "semi-open role madness game". I was actually going with eliminating the roles but since none of the roles are "definite" we can no longer be sure.

That means I can be scum too since my role is now in ANY-NATURAL. And a genderbender cow definitely fits in the mutant description. :)

Bess rises her horns and looks at the mirror with a confused face. Is she looking at a murderer's face? Her thoughts disappear when she notices a bouncing ball which she soon runs after.

Replied to Catte and ZFR:
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You seem to be forgetting that IF Buck is scum(as I suspect) then he wouldn't be town coward and his hiding claims/targets would be made up.

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What do you think of Buck's message recipient also coincidentally being last "night's" NK?

Odd to you or no?

Also do you want me to reveal the other message sender or no?

1. Again, how is Buck cleared? We only have his claim(same with my claim, btw, that I am town).

2. How would them claiming lock the medic as town?

I mentioned the role "courier" as an example, as the courier of the town turning out to be the scum was the most unlikely scenario in my mind. I didn't mean you.

Joe also confirmed that Buck was there when blotunga was killed. That's what made dedo confess.

Good point.

(Musing: Maybe other scum can shoot town as well, and one of the NKs was Buck using a smaller gun? I mean the flavor for today's NK re: Lift's flavor post shows scum still shoot targets...regardless, I am doubting my choice atm so...)

Unvote Buck

(while I figure out what to do next)