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ZFR: Why?
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JoeSapphire: if he's willing to bus trent on day one for no reason, why doesn't he bus trent day two when he's actually going down?

looks to me like he believed trent's claim, and thought blotunga was mafia
D1 wan't bussing, but distancing. But I see your point.

Also him catching you isn't Mafia-indicative. Could be Townie thinking he found found a scum slip.

Unvote bucktooth
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JoeSapphire: if he's willing to bus trent on day one for no reason, why doesn't he bus trent day two when he's actually going down?

looks to me like he believed trent's claim, and thought blotunga was mafia
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ZFR: D1 wan't bussing, but distancing. But I see your point.

Also him catching you isn't Mafia-indicative. Could be Townie thinking he found found a scum slip.

Unvote bucktooth
*bow*
*flourish*


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now what should we do?..
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JoeSapphire: now what should we do?..
I'd like to hear:
a) from Enge
b) what catte did N1

Still not sure about you...
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ZFR: Still not sure about you...
*vibrates*
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flubbucket: Obviously...

I reeeeeeeeeeeeally don't like the "coincidence" of hiding behind the Night Kill victim BOTH nights.

Vote: bucktoothgamer
I don't either....likely will cast my vote for them in a bit.
(wanted to see how others felt first....I mean I almost went with a blotunga wagon, and we all see how bad that would've been, so I wanted to be more careful this time & get some thoughts first)

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(bump needed as I work on the next reply)
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flubbucket: Obviously...

I reeeeeeeeeeeeally don't like the "coincidence" of hiding behind the Night Kill victim BOTH nights.

Vote: bucktoothgamer
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GymHenson: I don't either....likely will cast my vote for them in a bit.
what about him being second on trentonlf's wagon day one?
and nothing on his wagon day two?

that's a townie look from where I'm sitting
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ZFR: On N1, the way people were going after trent I investigated him since I thought someone might have had a particular reason to go for him, most notably flub whom I suspcted of being a lyncher. Got infected. No result.
But how would the infector have known to infect you? Random chance pick, maybe? What do you think?

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ZFR: (Incidentally, I don't think Lift should have informed the targeted player that they were infected. Just have them fail results.
It seems Lift is unnecessarily doing it to many roles in his games, like bucktooth/catte today. Unless they're Loud, targets shouldn't know they've been targeted).
Well the role info for inventor sys they will be noticed by those they protect or investigate....so it's part of the role.

Unless you meant you think OP shouldn't have made that a thing at all?

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ZFR: Today I investigated Joe on the off chance he's a third party killer. He isn't. Joe is neither a killer third party nor a target. Meaning he's Mafia or Town.
And Imo Joe wouldn't start a wagon on a fellow scum, and end the day with the posts he did if he was scum....meaning he's very likely town.

(Or at least that's how i'm gonna lean him, at the very least)

Sidenote: I note Bucktooth voted for Joe.....likely with all this in mind....very interesting.
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bucktoothgamer: 1. D2 went by QUICK. I made my long post about why I though the blot/flubb scum pair was viable, then by the time I checked the game again catte had already delivered the hammer. Sure, I could have jumped on the Trent wagon earlier, but again blot was REALLY defensive out the gate on day 2 which I figured made him a viable vote.
Even before the hammer you were likely on and probably on when Trent's wagon bypassed Blotunga's(which only had two votes at day's end).

Knowing that, and having trent and blotunga on your list of lynch candidates from earlier, it doesn't make as much sense (to me, and maybe in general as well) that you'd stick with the lower wagon when one of your two suspects had risen higher in the vote counts.

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bucktoothgamer: 2. Even if I had read the role list beforehand , the only one that mentions harmless explosions was under the any/neutral category. I figured that letting the rest of the group know "hey, this person's blowing things up next to us in our sleep" might have been better for the good of the group than keeping quiet. Maybe keeping quiet on such things is an unspoken mafia rule, but if so I haven't been playing long enough to learn that.
That's just it....that role was in the ANY category.....dunno about others but with me, I wouldn't risk giving away a possible town player in such a "loud" and obvious manner as you did....I would've found a more vague and subtle way to poke and find out Joe's alignment in such a case.

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bucktoothgamer: 3. If my PR role was nerfed after I claimed, why do they keep giving me opportunity to use it? The reason I claimed after n1 in the first place was that I figured letting the group know that we had 2 potential targets of a scum attack may have given us more insight on who to lynch.
They wouldn't....as (iirc) Catte said, they'd just target people directly and ignore you if you are who you claim to be.

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bucktoothgamer: Why did he make an attempt to walk back the Trent wagon after the hammer?
If you didn't get that, he was joking and/or being sarcastic at that point....as everyone knows a hammer cannot be walked back.

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bucktoothgamer: How could he know that ZFR had a power role if ZFR never brought it up? Someone can't correct me on that if I missed ZFR claiming in d1 or d2.
ZFR said he'd been infected on D2 start I believe....the only reason a player would do so, imo, is if they are town and have/had a role to infect/nerf with infection.

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(Bump needed to reply to others like Joe and such)
(Flavour later)

Vote count

Bucktooth 1 - flubb (1098)
Joe 1 - bucktooth (1100)

Not voting: all others
It takes 5 to lunch
The Day will end on Tuesday evening/ night
Sorry was taking a phone call...back now
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JoeSapphire: yeah it is looking a little like this game is imbalanced in town's favour, but we did do well to force mafia to claim first day and then catch them in the consequential lie.
Btw I have been quiet till now as I felt it improper back then, but I feel I can now claim some credit for this as I was the one who pushed for claims early on D1.....I will take payment/tribute if we win at end of game in snack foods and beverages. ;D

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JoeSapphire: PERHAPS something like a power-embargo should be considered? Just to give the mafia a bit of a sporting chance towards the end of the game?
Only if the reverse happens during games where the scum team is shown to be overpowered. ;)

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JoeSapphire: 7. ZFR - infected by trent. Very difficult to believe not town.
To be honest we only have his word on this, I believe.

Of course if the medic came forward it'd prove them likely town, but we very likely don't want any medic to do that so it's a catch-22(I believe that's the term to use here?)

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JoeSapphire: 8. bucktoothgamer claims coward, voted trent.
You mean on D1? As he wasn't voting for trent on D2.....even when Trent's wagon bypassed blotunga's.

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JoeSapphire: what about him being second on trentonlf's wagon day one?
and nothing on his wagon day two?

that's a townie look from where I'm sitting
That's just it...as said above, Buck voted once for one of his TOP lynch candidates.....Trent....and only early in the wagon on D1. He then didn't join the much bigger wagon on Trent on D2, even when he was online.

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JoeSapphire: if he's willing to bus trent on day one for no reason, why doesn't he bus trent day two when he's actually going down?
Because he's new to the game and(if scum) might not want a fellow scum with more experience getting axed, and also might not want (if scum) a fellow scum being axed in general from the game(making winning the game harder for the scum team)?

Also I believe he didn't drop suspicion of Trent...so him not going to the Trent wagon when it bypassed the blotunga one(which had 2 votes at end of day on D2) while he was online to do so, when Trent was likely still a suspect of his, makes little sense.

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JoeSapphire: now what should we do?..
I say we stick with bucktooth.....yeah, it might be wrong, but even on the rare chance he is town he has little use to town beyond his vote(sorry Buck for saying this) after his claim, so he's a "safer" lynch candidate.
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GymHenson: Because he's new to the game and(if scum) might not want a fellow scum with more experience getting axed, and also might not want (if scum) a fellow scum being axed in general from the game(making winning the game harder for the scum team)?

Also I believe he didn't drop suspicion of Trent...so him not going to the Trent wagon when it bypassed the blotunga one(which had 2 votes at end of day on D2) while he was online to do so, when Trent was likely still a suspect of his, makes little sense.
Is it correct that he didn't drop suspicion of trent?

could I be being so... unbrilliant?
@OP: Do you mean THIS tuesday....as in 3 irl days from now, give or take?
(Also there is a vote in this post, below)
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ZFR: If buck is scum
_ Why draw attention to having hidden behind the target. he could have chosen any member to hide behind.
Counterpoint: He did it to "prove" he's Hider. He got the safe claim Hider and wants to make use of it.
Or this but he lied about hiding behind anyone.

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ZFR: Interesting he's pushing for Joe, but I got to as:
Also interesting how you voted for Buck, then unvoted after a few posts from Joe.....which is odd to me as Joe seemed to be trying to convince you that Buck is town/possible town, even with Buck voting Joe earlier.

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If time is of the essence, I might as well go for it:

Vote Bucktooth

(If i'm wrong and we lynch Buck and he flips town everyone can kick my butt from one end of the massively big thread here to the other)

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(Bump needed to make one reply)
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JoeSapphire: Is it correct that he didn't drop suspicion of trent?

could I be being so... unbrilliant?
I checked page 55(20 posts per page) and his few posts there seem to at least indicate nothing to show he dropped suspicion of Trent....here's a few post snippets:

Also Post 1083 by Buck(underlining by me): "Just to get some discussion going: My choices for targets to hide behind were blot, joe and flub. I think I was on such a high when Trent flipped scum as he was one of my first real suspicions, that I figured my intuition for blot was correct as well."

Post 1100 by Buck(underlining by me once again): "Sure, I could have jumped on the Trent wagon earlier, but again blot was REALLY defensive out the gate on day 2 which I figured made him a viable vote."

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Also possible big find - Post 1092...this bit by Bucktooth seems to set off some alarm bells in my head:
(Hard to explain why and put it into words.....just everything he's said so far and claimed to have done so far...make the below bit seem "off".....what do you think?)

"Once again, my suspicion of blot was pretty obvious the past 2 days. So the assumption that I would hide behind them to draw out a kill is not that much of a stretch."
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GymHenson: Of course if the medic came forward it'd prove them likely town,
Medic coming forward would prove two things: jack and squat.

The proof is in the fact that no one counterclaimed that they got infected instead. So unless Mafia purposely didn't use Infection on N1, I'm non-Mafia.
@GH: yes, the Day started on Friday evening and is planned to last 5 real time days. That makes Tuesday.

I could be convicted to extend it to Wednesday morning, so that the US folk get their full Tuesday. I'd you all prefer that, just say so.

Just a note: in late game, the days may get shorter.