Huh. You may be on to something there. Both are quite calm in face of the attacks of GH. As if these attacks didn't matter. Sure, GH isn't very logical and therefore not a big danger. But scum could have the added security that they are not one mislynch away from losing. And they have their buddies to back them up (unless they decide to bus).

However, would spreading panic not also be a scum-tell in times of danger? In the end, it's a question of feeling. Both extremes (unconcernedness and panic-spreading) can be due to being scum. At the same time, scum would try to fake concern.

Damn. I'll have to go back to the last game and check how Catte and Vitek played there. But not tonight. Tomorrow I have a long meeting too. So it may be Thursday until I find the time to re-read the previous game. On the plus side, ZFR just proposed postponing the deadline. That gives us a bit time to re-read and discuss.

No objection here. On Saturday proper I won't have much time either (I'm going hiking and mushroom hunting with the kids on Saturday), but the time until then may be very useful. And since nmillar is one of my persons of interest, I would very much appreciate some participation before deciding whom to vote for Today.

By inattentiveness you mean just that I considered houses to not be meaningful even though ZFR said House/Salem are not pure fluff?

Is that what you wanted to quote?

It may be bit hypocritical but I have similar problem with nmillar. He is one of the more experienced players as well and when called out forskirting by on D1 he deflected it by stating he will get rolling from D2 onwards but it is yet to happen and he is mostly forgetable.
I need more explanation from catte about his actions and I am trying to reconcile if they can be scum together (it doesn't really fit so far) but I am trying to picture who could be scum with whom. I think Lift could be with both and then if they weren't together it would leave me with Micro (quite possible with nmillar and Lift, less with catte), GH (unlikely with nmillar, possible with Lift, unsure about catte), phaolo (not any link to anyone on either side) or dedo (not likely with LIft, possible with others) as third.

I really have no idea.
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Well if you think you might have found a role cop broadcasting information about other town roles, do you A) kill the role cop or B) kill the person you think they're talking about and see where it leads? Why would you kill the goose that you think is laying golden eggs? Well I guess you might kill it because geese are dicks, but anyway.
The fact they went for gogtrial is another (admittedly small) scum point for GH.

Gotcha. Not that saying this does me any favours, but I have ruthlessly bussed GR once long long ago (in game #1).

Eek. Good luck!

No objections here.

Well there is a major difference for me IRL between then and now. I work in a college and last game was during the summer holidays during a pandemic. To say I had time on my hands would be an understatement. The entirety of this game has taken place during the beginning of term. Not only am I back at work, but the beginning of term is always busy and chaotic. I definitely haven't been giving the game my all, I'm tired man!

No, it's more like I found one odd thing about each of my suspects and noted it....and then more and more...and over time I leaned them more or less suspect. Just like some other Mafia players would, i'd expect.

No, I wasn't upset with you for not replying....just like I wasn't upset with Vitek for hammering before me.....or at least not to the extent that i'd suspect either of you fully or even majorly because of such.

I may play in a less than stellar manner most times, but I wouldn't so so dumb as to list people as suspects over such things.

(Bump needed)

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Did you actually need that bump, or did writing (Bump needed) become a habit of yours by now? ;-)

To me that was just another way of saying "it was just a random typing thing" or carelessness or a broken keyboard. I said I don't know because it was the simplest way of communicating that I don't really know. :P

Sorries...got distracted by IRL and some deep thought in general....sorry for wasting the bump:

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To clarify:

I didn't suspect Vitek because he stole the hammer, but because he seemingly couldn't wait 10 minutes to see if i'd hammer first.

By his posts he seemed/seems to be suspecting me to be scum....if that is the case, then why didn't he wait to see if i'd hammer first? He likely had the time to spare and was here at that time, so why not wait?

To me, the end of D2 posts and actions by Vitek makes little to no sense. I mean scum would want me to look worse, and would've likely let me hammer.....but maybe Vitek is scum trying some sort of trick and/or protecting other scum? Or is just a town who has incorrectly read me?

Gods, now i'm conflicted(on how to lean Vitek, that is).

I didn't excluded myself as I figured most people would get that I wasn't including myself in that list. :)

You're looking at it from the wrong angle here: If Vitek is town and suspects me, why wouldn't they wait the 10 minutes and see if my hammer claim was genuine or not?

That is the major bulk of what is confusing me about Vitek/end of D2.

My suspects list: Nmillar, Vitek, Catte, Dedo, Lift.

Lift is on the end of the list, and (if memory serves) I only voted for Vitek today(D3).

I don't know exactly how soon after each daystart it was when they(Nmillar and Catte) came online, but it was not that many posts between OP's daystart post and theirs, and they were either right after one another or close to being so each of the two times.

As for me: I was online within a half hour to an hour of the one time, and several hours of the other.

As I said to others re how I notice things to suspect: that one thing isn't that odd on it's own, but once I start to suspect someone I scrutinize their posts a bit more, and some things stand out more as a result.

To me, Vitek seemed a bit "laid back" in that post....even with us so close to losing....to me, combined with the events of the end of D2, it just seemed "odd".

I fixate on small things others might not, and I tend to tunnel on some players over others.....that's how I usually play.

Of course, take that fwiw(given I am not verified town).

We are close to losing, so we might need such a risky gambit to win....also I feel the rewards vs risk might be worth it and might help us have more chance to win.

I dunno.....but i'm not disappointed I haven't been lynched or NKd....just curious as to why either hasn't happened.

I mean am I close and they don't want people looking into my suspects and such? Or am I wide off the mark and focusing on the wrong players, and/or inadvertently/unwittingly helping them in some other way while i'm still in the game?

(well, i'll hopefully get to find out why at end of game, at least...until then I keep scratching my head)

All i'm gonna say is: Yer off the mark...by a wide margin.

Of course, i'm growing a bit tired of this game.....if I get close to hammer, who knows, I have half a mind to toss in the last vote so we can move to the afterparty.

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(Note to all: I am not 100% on this......it's more half serious.....but one does grow a bit tired when they put in effort and blunder[Trent on D1, almost Blotunga on D2] so much and also when it's like pulling teeth to get even a few to take one's ideas seriously or even entertain them more than beyond a passing thought.

Heck, if end of game comes & we lose & my suspects list bears some fruit, I have half a mind to chuckle a bit while saying "Told Ya so")

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This is complete nonsense. You used the exact same method to breadcrumb in the last game, and you're now claiming to have had a "random typing thing" in your opening posts on both D2 and D3, yet no other posts have been affected?

Vote Catte

That I do.

I find one suspect thing and note it(if I remember to), and then note more and more over time for those players and others, and then use that to focus more or less on/suspect more or less other players.

Due to how I play and scum hunt, some things will "ping" my scum-dar a bit more than they would if others read them if i'm already suspicious of that player to a good degree.

If Catte is scum, then they (or any scum in the game) probably want to wait for other town to pile on me with votes so that scum can all vote at once and finish me off.

(To OP: Above is Not a vote)

If ever in doubt, feel free to ask questions for clarification. :)

Fwiw(even though I cannot prove it now), I'd just like you to know I have been trying to improve myself....for what little good it seems to have done so far.

One thing to note: Oddly enough, Micro has now started focusing a bit on me and voted me(Post 855), but ONLY after I pushed for several (including me, btw) to claim.

Might be nothing, but it is something to think about(beyond their lack of much posting, that is).

That is what I meant in several of my posts: Vitek doesn't seem like a veteran townie would, being this close to mylo.

If they are town, then maybe their IRL or something is distracting them or their heart's not in the game as much for some reason....but it is also something to think about, imo.

He seems to be trying, and is one of the few (that I can recall atm) who seemed to seriously consider my wagon/voting choices.

Of course, you're also right they haven't posted much...so who knows with this player.

Sorry to bring this up again, but to be clear: If Vitek is town and suspects me, he could've waited the 10 minutes and (if I hadn't hammered or even if I had, given the Blotunga reveal after lynch) let me look more suspect to the rest of the player base.

If he is town and thinks me scum, why didn't he wait the 10 minutes to see what I would do? THIS is what made me scratch my head that "day" and now.

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I have explained that to be the case in several past games....you seem to act like this is something new I just started mentioning this game.

Wait....wut?

You mean today/D3?

So you're saying you actually think that I would contemplate such a plan?

Even though i've never (as far as I can remember or recall) got a wagon that i'd started to lynch?

*Falls over laughing*

Sorry, no. It was this:

Man, that's a terribly convenient list. You're practically suspecting all alive players sans exactly three (you and two others) in a game where it's likely we have three scum hiding among us. You're not going to make this any easier, are you?

EBWOP....The one line in my post above should read: "So you're saying you actually think that I would contemplate such a plan if I were scum?"
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Replies to Lift and Dedo:
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A habit somewhat.....sometimes I post quick replies back to back, and the bumps help.....and other times, I get delayed by IRL or a post takes a bit longer to compose than i'd expect/guess and I end up not needing one.

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Two things: 1. I suspect every other player but confirmed town in every game.
2. I have sorted them by suspicion level, so my biggest suspets would be at the top....this game atm they would be:
NMillar/Catte/Vitek at the top, then you and Lift.

That help any?

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@OP: I am ok with the delay....IRL comes first, after all. :)

(Also Nmillar: Hope you enjoy yourself depsire being rushed on your vacation)

(None of the above is a vote)

I object! No-one ever seems to be online when I am! ;-)

yes, at GH.
I don't know anything about a day-chat; but I know that there is a possibility that one exists. If one exists, then we might have 1 fewer scum and 1 3rd-party. I'm not saying we shouldn't be cautious, but that there is a reason for PRs to not want to claim toDay if they think they have a shot at getting something done toNight.
I imagine that we have more than 2PRs, and that they have dirt to dish when foot comes to shovel. ;-) It could also be one scum attacking and one town following. It could even have been started by one scum distancing, only to have town pick it up and run with it.

I've forgotten about the whole relationship thing, as in any one scum isn't in a vacuum, but there are at least 2. Considering this, there does seem to be a correlation between catte and nmillar, though not for the reasons that GH has purported (being online at once).
Oh, how I wish I could see gogtrial's reasoning on this.
@gogtrial, who do you think is scum in observer thread? (note a vote :P )
Willing to vote catte if need be.

I haven't been intentionally flying under the radar, but IRL has been troubling to a certain extent. I mostly haven't seen anything worth saying yet, and have said little as a result.

Please don't lunch me. I would prefer turkey & pickle & peanut butter sadwiches to be eaten instead.

BUMP PLEASE (not a vote)