So basically: You, phaolo, Microfish.
But if you are scum, that point is anyhow moot. So phaolo, Micro and one from your list after all. Or your observation that you are still alive doesn't mean that much. Unless, of course, it means that you are scum after all.

Really? Do tell! ;-)

And you really don't have a lot to add after all that catching up? That's not very you. What's your take on the Catte/GH conflict? (+nmillar) What's your take on GH's continued survival? What's your take on Vitek? Or on Micro for that matter, other than the fact that he isn't here yet? Who, aside from me, are your main suspects and did the Daystart change anything?

I don't know how to put it into words the best way, but i'll try: with all the other things i've noticed/found suspect(more so on Nmillar) combined with my gut hunches/feelings/etc...to me that seems a bit suspect. As I said, hard to put it into words.

Also tbf/tbh: I might not have found such a thing(the timing of replies of you/Nmillar) suspect as much had I not been focusing so much on the two of you & didn't have both of you on my suspects list.

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Well I already said i'd claim if we did such a thing, even without a wagon.....we'd just need to get the others on board....well except for NMillar, who claimed already.

Btw, you DID note that Nmillar claimed on D2, right?

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To Micro/Vitek: You two up for a bit of claiming so we can find scum? It is D3 and we're close to losing, so there is likely more reward than risk to this plan.

If so, then i'd like to hear from each of you what order you'd prefer to go in......and If not, then why not?

As for me: I'm willing to go at any time if we do the above plan....first, last...doesn't matter to me.

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Tbh if you had made one small post in response to my RVS vote on D1, I might not have suspected you much if at all. I tend to focus on weird/odd things like that, and to me it felt like you were trying to lay low after my RVS vote.

As for Nmillar, tbh I suspect them a good amount more than you at this point....as for why: my prior posts show well enough why I suspect them, if you're curious.
(Beyond checking old posts, I guess I could check my notes if you want: I didn't take many notes due to IRL dominating my thoughts over the past few weeks and also a bit of laziness, but i'm somewhat certain I took a few on Nmillar...would need to check)

Two replies(pick yer favorite):

1. Well unless one of us throws the forums into Mordor from whence it came. ;)
2. Not everything....we don't know what's in everyone's thoughts, for one.

(But in all seriousness, we are in the dark about a good number of things that aren't on the record....for one: I don't think everyone analyzed all wagons yet and provided said analysis, and also i'm not sure if everyone posted their top suspects and top town leans yet)

I'd even claim first if everyone wants me to.....any position really...just as long as we can find scum while we have a chance to do so.

I was actually only there within an hour of when the two of you posted on one of the two "days". The other "day" I saw your and Catte's posts several hours after the two of you had posted.
(If you'll recall, the forum shows 1 hour increments for posts less than 24 hours old)

As for how that is possible: I'm on the forums several hours per day, at random times depending on my sleep/IRL schedule.

What does this mean? Are you joking or serious with this, and if serious: Are you perhaps suggesting Catte is third party, or scum, or what?

(Bump Needed)

The insinuation was that as you were online to witness the closeness of mine and Catte's posts, that you are in fact the third scum (along with myself and Catte), using your logic.

However, you've backtracked somewhat in your post above, so you're now suggesting that because Catte and I posted withing an hour and 29 minutes of each other (I would guess the forum rounds down?), that this is some kind of concerted scum effort?

Can you please explain to me why you would even consider this to be a thing?

Your statement said that "it's fun to play against scum" which infers that you are not one. I'm just reminding about the other possibility that is being left out. I'm sure there are people among us who would even bring the term LAMIST up but right now I can't remember who liked to do that at every given opportunity.

At this point I can't really add that much that hasn't been pointed out by one or another. The rest is a mess of various thoughts and theories that are trying to crystalize into something. So far to unsatisfactory results.

Because we're so alike usually, right? Sorry to disappoint.

I think at least one of them is scum. Likely Catte.

Still think he is likely Town.

Can't tell for sure but I have the feeling he's being "allowed" to stick around and serve as a lightning rod because of the way he goes about things.

Undecided. I'd like to think he is Town but I've been fooled by him in the past, so can't say for sure.

Him not being here most of the time is not helping for sure so there isn't a whole lot data to work with regarding him. I'd like him to make himself more present, if possible. Especially considering the presumed state of MYLO.

How do you know you're still a main suspect? You really are but how do you know nothing changed overnight?
The Daystart removed a fear that I was being led a scum who was putting in the work, but established another one that the scum team is mostly (if not fully) comprised of the more experienced players and things are very grim.
If I have to point a finger at two people other than you right now I'd say catte and (phaolo+ / Vitek-).

Why would I suspect myself when I know my own alignment?

(That was a rhetorical question...the answer is, of course, that I wouldn't)

Correction: One time was within an hour of each other.....and the other time was within a few hours of one another.

That said, yes.....that alone is not much in the way of proof those doing so are scum....but when added to all the other things i've noticed from yourself and others & seen through how I view the game/scum hunt it starts to become suspect.

Could I be wrong? There's a chance...but I second guessed in the past and picked wrong and town suffered for it....bot going to do that this game if I can help it.

(Yes, i've done some dumb things this game: I stupidly voted D1 and helped cause a town to get lynched....i've been kicking myself for that, actually......I shouldn't have joined that wagon, but what's done is done)

EBWOP: That one word in the last post I made should be "not" and not "bot".

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The tone and wording....it doesn't sound like someone on a team that's close to losing.

That alone wouldn't be suspicious, but combined with your impatient seeming hammer yesterday and your posts afterwards it makes you suspect in my eyes.

Also plz note: I posted something for you in Post 844 as well, near the middle of that post.

Vote Count

Vitek 1 - GH

Not voting - catte, Lift, phaolo, nmillar, Micro, dedo, Vitek

8 players. Takes 5 to lynch.

Vitek is closest at L-4

Know how ya feel....been stuck on Project Warlock for the past few days. o.0 :D
(played a bit before, and am playing some more now....this episode's theme be Lovecraftian)

Offtopic aside, I hope to hear yer thoughts on the following when ye have time:

1. What I asked of you in Post 844(near the middle is the bit to you and one other player).
2. Who are your top 3 suspects, or even 2...and why.
3. What do you think of Vitek hammering on D2 before I did? And also what do you think of my suspicion of such....warranted or no?

Make what? There's no secret information in my posts.
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Frankly I'm wondering the same thing. I guess if they mistook me for a role cop or power cop and had "cracked my code" perhaps they decided to milk me for information instead?

Sounds a bit like you've drawn your conclusions first and are inventing evidence to fit them. I say inventing you're giving meaning to something you observed without any supporting logic.

Yes, I was basically just listing my top picks for scum there.

That's another example of a weird fixation to be honest. You made a joke vote for me, no funny reply came to me at the time so I moved on. It comes across almost as if you're just hurt that I didn't give you attention. Whatever the reason, I don't think every RVS vote needs addressing, because by definition they don't mean anything.

Timestamp on this message says 10 hours at the time of writing this so I assume things aren't getting less busy IRL for you right now.


Let's assume for the time being the Micro won't be available anytime soon and/or there isn't anything useful from him to get things going anyway. @Lift, @Vitek - do you have a suggestion on how we should proceed?

I fear this could be scum explaining why gogtrial was removed. :O

Very next post GH is...overreacting?
This is bad, but 3D is maybe a bit much?
His whole argument "vitek is scum because he stole the hammer from me and you should count me as the hammerer" strikes me as LAMIST / scum distancing from their intended target who they had just tricked town into lunching.

So...
Given:
and removing gogtrial, you are suspecting Lift, GH, catte, dedo, nmillar, Vitek.
why are you listing yourself as a suspect? Did you forget your role PM?

As to why Vitek couldn't wait... it's not for me to say... You would rather we would be scrutinizing you because *you* hammered?
WIFOM and all that, but this argument stinks.
what has changed to when I last looked 6 hours ago when you are voting Lift?

continuing the joke? or something more sinister?
Also, yes, I had a fear (rather irrational, i know) that he was scum in part because he sounded so town and talked so much.

Good catch! Now, why didn't I see that?

scratches head. Okaaay?

I do appreciate GH noting who first came online, as sometimes scum pop straight outta scumchat into the thread, but that is at the start of the thread. Did anyone notice the time that they showed up (hours after Daystart?)
For that matter, how old was ZFR's post when GH or Phaolo showed?

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Huh? How did you get that impression? There's no point in being all emotional about it, and when i have been emotional about it, i got accused of being scum and--iirc--removed from the game over it.
Yes, we need to be careful who we lunch, but nothing about this post seems as damning to me as you seem to think it is.

Why this fixation? Did you not get the NK you wanted due to a bus driver etc, and are trying to shade the intended target? Are you trying to shade an intended target?
Even if you are town, this looks bad; like an over-eager scum trying to "get that last lunch so we can win."

Agree re 808.
How do you equate this with your pushing for a mass claim? Doesn't an honest mass claim result in the PRs being leaked?
this, despite thinking you probable scum.
Distancing or bussing?

Reasons Catte would not claim--waiting for another day, as waiting to reveal gives chance of another night if we have only 2 scum. If he can get who he knows is scum lunched; this is the wiser option.

Sidenote: You are playing differently than normal, so maybe you are scum? Maybe the scum team doesn't know what to do with the new-you, or townsfolk aren't voting you for putting your foot in your mouth (I have lots of experience at that action, as you know) because you haven't?
Changing up your playstyle, and then being disappointed when you aren't voted on, is...weird...
Maybe scum left you in the game because it was your birthday and that would be a cruel bday gift? I don't know, and it seems useless to contemplate, but almost LAMIST that you did?

i was all ready to jump down your throat despite having previously given you a slight town lean when i realized you were the one under discussion in that quote. Carry on.

What? this seems grasping at straws again.

True, insofar as you go, but if the scum have day-chat, wasn't it ZFR who said daychat counted as 1/2 player? that means it's more likely to be 2+1 (3rd party) than 3? Maybe it was trent who said that? I'm too tired to look it up (if I hadn't promised to answer I'd already be in bed.)
Also, your last paragraph. has he said what his point was?
re 826, i tried several times but fell asleep each time.

true.

[woke up from unexpected sleep, have no clue about thought patterns mentioned above, fighting sleep but i said i'd get this off]
I am hesitant to claim if the PRs aren't willing to claim. i think i alluded to it earlier.
suspecting scum to be among gh, nmillar or catte

844 the logic chain seems missing awfully.
847 i like much of;

nmillar for reasons enumerated in past, tho his posts toDay give town-feels

GH because of some really bad logic, fixation on and pressing same.

catte some responses seemed off?

willing to put my vote where my stomach is.

vote gymhenson

Vote Count

Vitek 1 - GH
GH 1 - Micro

Not voting - catte, Lift, phaolo, nmillar, dedo, Vitek

8 players. Takes 5 to lynch.

Vitek and GH are closest at L-4

Guys, I feel like s**t, so I'll postpone my full partecipation for a while.

Btw I'm a bit sad that we had so few game days, I wonder how much luck is a factor in this game.
Anyway, if there are 3 scum, now we have ~37% chances to catch one or lose.. someone could say "Not great, not terrible" lol.


Umm, I didn't understand that.. was that an accusation?
I didn't even explain anything there..

Also, you misquoted me afterwards in your post.