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Lifthrasil: And I think that might be due to him being scum this time. Or it might be a devolution of his play-style.
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dedoporno: I suppose the inferred notion here is that, since between the two of us I'm the one who is normally rude to the other, the latter option can't be true, therefore it's the former? One can only wonder...
No. Usually you aren't rude. And usually we speak the same language and think quite alike. This time, there seems to be some communication difficulty. That can either mean a change in your perception (perhaps I fooled you too often and you are set on seeing me as scum whenever you can) or it could mean intent on your part. In other words, either you are tunneling or you are misunderstanding on purpose. Which one it is, I don't know.
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gogtrial34987: So here's a quote from #55: Yep, that's from trent.

@Catte, @Joe, @Vitek: You were there. Reread trent's posts from there (#986) till his last (#1018). Tell me that isn't the same caught scum trent as we have now?
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my name is magike catte: I see what you're going for... but why thisgame!Trent feel trapped at this stage?
I'm kinda compelled by your plea, but Catte said what we're all thinking: Why thisgame!Trent feel trapped at this stage??

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gogtrial34987: But summarizing/rewording: He town-read me. His explanation for why hinges on a difference between town!me and scum!me which I didn't exhibit at the point where he town!read me. When questioned about it, the best he could do was pointing out how what I did also wasn't like scum!me; but absence of proof isn't the same as proof of absence; in other words, my behaviour shouldn't have been enough to actually town-read me based on the argument he made. That's me catching him.
ooh! yes I remember that! I said, didn't I, that is was weird Trent was comparing to scum!gogtrial's behaviour when we've only seen scum gogtrial twice (at a push), and both those times had a pretty specific goal which you'd expect would influence his play a lot.

Did we get an explanation for where Trent was getting his scumgogtrial data from?

Get well soon Trent
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JoeSapphire: NMillar said something about dedo along the lines of "something he said tallies with something in my role pm, so I think he's town for now"
I'd love this to be a mafia bluffing and hoping they'd be able to come up with something later, but it's unlikely. I'm gonna say nmillar is probably town.
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Vitek: Oh, nmillar, that person who last game took his flavour literally and claimed I wasn't in my room at Night based on it while I was. I am not going to ever take him serisouly about thing from his PMs anymore.
Damn, I am a bit bitter about it even though it actually helped us win that game in strange a twist of fate.
eesh. Sorry to open old wounds.

You might not take it seriously, but do you think he would say something like that as mafia?

I suppose it could go something like this: (hypothesis wherein nmillar is scum and was referring to dedo's thing for the sake of demonstration)

dedo: I'm slythering
nmillar: [to self, tapping fingertips together and occasionally twirling moustache] aha! I see he's cleared himself with that little show, very clever for a mafia would hardly dare claim such a dangerous-sounding claim with no information... perhaps I can claim to be slytherin too. And yet, blast it all! It IS risky still, what if dedoporno should flip serial killer or the slytherin have a mason chat or et cetera et cetera. Drat and double drat I cannot expose myself to such risk.
[pause. suddenly an evil grin splits his countenance]
however... I could say something vague! PRETEND I want to avoid drawing attention to it, but something I can rely on later if I need to make a claim. The chances are dedo is town and I can use the vague hint to say I was breadcrumbing a slytherin claim, and if dedo does flip something inappropriate, why, I shall have to improvise with what information I have at the time.
[slicks back his hair, softens his eyebrows and grins. His teeth glint. He turns back to the group to announce]
and etcetera and et cetera...


^ I can imagine scum nmillar saying it if it was somehing like that I guess. But it took some fanciful imaginings to get me there.
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JoeSapphire: I'm kinda compelled by your plea, but Catte said what we're all thinking: Why thisgame!Trent feel trapped at this stage??

ooh! yes I remember that! I said, didn't I, that is was weird Trent was comparing to scum!gogtrial's behaviour when we've only seen scum gogtrial twice (at a push), and both those times had a pretty specific goal which you'd expect would influence his play a lot.

Did we get an explanation for where Trent was getting his scumgogtrial data from?

Get well soon Trent
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JoeSapphire: I'm kinda compelled by your plea, but Catte said what we're all thinking: Why thisgame!Trent feel trapped at this stage??

ooh! yes I remember that! I said, didn't I, that is was weird Trent was comparing to scum!gogtrial's behaviour when we've only seen scum gogtrial twice (at a push), and both those times had a pretty specific goal which you'd expect would influence his play a lot.

Did we get an explanation for where Trent was getting his scumgogtrial data from?

Get well soon Trent
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trentonlf: Post 206
So he was scum once, but he also had a perfect false-claim, a lover partner, would read town to cops and had two lynch targets. Not really enough to establish a pattern for scum-gogtrial behaviour, no?


I'm going to bed now and I as it's looking like I won't be able to get on gog at work tomorrow there's a chance I won't be able to log on again before deadline. With that in mind I'm going to
unvote microfish
and
vote trent
putting him at L-3, I think

goodnight!
Vote Count

trent 4 - gogtrial, blotunga, Vitek, Joe
nmillar 1 - GH
Joe 1 - Micro
gogtrial 1 - phaolo
Lift 1 - dedo
dedoporno 1 - Lift
blotunga 1 - trent

Not voting - catte, nmillar

12 players in game. Takes 7 to lynch.

trent is closest at L-3

Whenever you see a vote count from me, please make sure your name is against the correct person. Let me know if there are any mistakes.

About 21 hrs till deadline
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Lifthrasil: In other words, either you are tunneling or you are misunderstanding on purpose.
Or option three - I understood it well and you're the one who is scum (actually there is a slight, annoying variance for that - I did misunderstand yet you're still scum and I've latched on you for all the wrong reasons, but I think the chances of this aren't very high) :)

That said, I do realize there is a possibility that I'm be wrong and tunneling but I don't think that's the case (and others have expressed similar suspicions to my own - unless all of them aren't the scum team then I'm not the only Townie who is "misunderstanding on purpose"). As gogtrial said about Trent earlier - I'm as convinced as someone can be for D1.

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Lifthrasil: And usually we speak the same language and think quite alike. This time, there seems to be some communication difficulty.
That's kind of the thing that caused all of this. The things you said that "you didn't mean" don't make sense to me coming from you - if it was someone else, maybe phaolo or someone who hasn't played with me that much I would have likely shrugged it off but it doesn't make sense coming from an experienced player to another experienced player (especially when two who are familiar with each other and often tend to have similar thought processes).


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JoeSapphire: I suppose it could go something like this: (hypothesis wherein nmillar is scum and was referring to dedo's thing for the sake of demonstration)
This was hilarious and I have something in my pocket for you!


I believe we have something like half-ish day left. It's becoming obvious that Trent is going to be one of (if not the) viable wagons. I said I'm willing to join that so there is not point in wasting time and letting this go to the edge of the deadline.


unvotus Lift


votus Trent


Not-current-events-related: I mentioned to my family that we are playing a Harry Potter theme game and my big boy (turned 6 last month) expressed interest in it (the theme, I mean). He has seen the first movie but it was with the original dubbing so he wasn't able to understand most of what was going on. So now I'm reading the book to him as a bedtime story (I'm killing it btw, doing all the voices and stuff, it's glorious!) and he loves it!

Thanks, ZFR for the inspiration.
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dedoporno: Not-current-events-related: I mentioned to my family that we are playing a Harry Potter theme game and my big boy (turned 6 last month) expressed interest in it (the theme, I mean). He has seen the first movie but it was with the original dubbing so he wasn't able to understand most of what was going on. So now I'm reading the book to him as a bedtime story (I'm killing it btw, doing all the voices and stuff, it's glorious!) and he loves it!

Thanks, ZFR for the inspiration.
This sounds so cool, and is such a nice thing for you to do. :)

That said, I agree we have little time and might as well try to get a lynch.

Yeah, I don't want to lynch someone who is sick IRL and who seems to be in such a "slump" as Trent is.....and with him seemingly being okay with it(if I read his posts correctly) there's a chance he could be town and this could be a mislynch.....but we need a wagon and lynch for the more competent town players to analyze, and this lynch seems to be as good as almost any other (to me) so:

Unvotus NMillar

and

Votus Pocus Trent

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Now to everyone else, I ask: PLEASE let Trent have a chance to post a bit in his defense before anyone hammers.

(We still have around 11 hours or so left, so I figure we can at least give Trent a chance to defend himself before deadline)
Vote Count

trent 6 - gogtrial, blotunga, Vitek, Joe, dedo, GH
Joe 1 - Micro
gogtrial 1 - phaolo
dedoporno 1 - Lift
blotunga 1 - trent

Not voting - catte, nmillar

12 players in game. Takes 7 to lynch.

trent is closest at L-1

Whenever you see a vote count from me, please make sure your name is against the correct person. Let me know if there are any mistakes.

About 12 hrs till deadline
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Lifthrasil: True, blotungas vote looks like tagging along with gogtrial's reasoning. But that doesn't invalidate gogtrial's point or the fact that your pre-emptive expectation that you'll be today's lynch looks off. Your OMGUS vote doesn't improve things. Neither does the fact that you don't reply to my question that I asked you. Twice.

I still think that dedo looks different from previous games. And I think that might be due to him being scum this time. Or it might be a devolution of his play-style.

You, however, look like a player who has given up. Town!trent doesn't have a reason to give up at this point. Neither does scum!trent, really. But scum!trent might have a reason for expecting or wanting to be lynched. I don't know. In any case you joined my list of lynchables together with dedo and nmillar.
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trentonlf: To be honest I didn't see the questions. I have not been paying the proper amount of attention to the game, I try not to use RL but I've been sick and not overly energetic so my attention has waned. That is not a good excuse, but it is what it is.

To answer the question, I know my attention and posting has been lackluster and that is a recipe for being lynched. I would want want to lynch someone else doing the same thing so shouldn't expect anything less for me.

Also, I don't give up. I have already stated multiple times, I"m not scum. I have no way of proving it, we have no info to base anything on, all we can do is vote who seems the scummiest or is made to look the scummiest. I have obviously made myself look scummy when I gave gogtrial a Town read (I still say he is Town).
Actually I do agree on your read on gogtrial. His reaction to you looks quite towny.

Get better soon! But actually, with you being sick you should maybe take time off from playing. But it's difficult to say whether you are sick Scum not being able to pay attention or sick Town not being able to pay attention.

One way or another it looks like you get your prediction and you are todays lynch. I hope you are scum, but if not, at least you will be able to focus on getting well again and ZFR doesn't have to find a replacement.

Also, no one is seeing dedo as I do. The nmillar train has dissolved. So you remain and I'll be driving around for most of the day. Therefore, I'll put you at L-1 now. If you want to claim anything or share anything else, now would be the time to do so.

votus trent
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JoeSapphire: eesh. Sorry to open old wounds.
Meh, I don't trust nmillar with flavour.
And yes, I think mafia could easily say that. Why not? You don't have to make silly scenario out of it. You are doing that to make it look unlikely but as it is apparent on you, wasn't it this vague more efficient than if he came screaming "Me, too, me too! Look at me! I too am affiliated with this town"?


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dedoporno: I believe we have something like half-ish day left. It's becoming obvious that Trent is going to be one of (if not the) viable wagons. I said I'm willing to join that so there is not point in wasting time and letting this go to the edge of the deadline.
You said you had him as neutral so far so is this just to avoid no lynch?
Would you be willing ot join on anyone it it was necessary?
Looks like we have a hammer. You may continue posting while I verify and prepare flavour.
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Lifthrasil: Also, no one is seeing dedo as I do. The nmillar train has dissolved. So you remain and I'll be driving around for most of the day. Therefore, I'll put you at L-1 now. If you want to claim anything or share anything else, now would be the time to do so.

votus trent
And this is why one should refresh the main page before posting a vote when a player is close to lynch. o.0

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To the thread: Dagnabbit!
wtf
An "accidental" hammer for real??!
Pfft!

If trent flips scum, look at who he didn't address (much) today for possible scum-partners. I fear that's most everyone, but I still saw an almost pattern about that in his previous scum games.