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So here's a quote from #55:

I whole hardily believe town should always fight with all they have to not get lynched, and I give big town points for people who do fight hard not to be lynched. Last game Lift tried the "Go ahead and lynch me if you think that's what's best" in what turned out to be him trying to play on our emotions of a dejected townie when in fact he was scum, and at that time I told him he had it all wrong and he should be fighting with everything he had not to get lynched instead of giving up. I didn't listen to myself then and it cost us the game, and the last thing I want this game is for me to do the same thing and cost us the game.
Yep, that's from trent.

@Catte, @Joe, @Vitek: You were there. Reread trent's posts from there (#986) till his last (#1018). Tell me that isn't the same caught scum trent as we have now?
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nmillar:
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GymHenson: There were literally only 2 votes on Catte before you removed your vote...yours, and mine.
Worth pointing out that this is true, as I (the third vote on the Catte wagon) had moved on to Joe by the time nmillar unvoted.

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gogtrial34987: The way that nmillar wagon collapsed is giving me pause.
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Vitek: Why? What do you find wrong with it?
The way we went from
wagon #1: 4
everything else: 1
to
wagon #1: 2
wagon #2: 2
everything else: 1

There's this scum tactic of hopping onto a buddy's wagon early on with an argument which is easy to shrug off, so you can hop off again to redirect momentum somewhere else.
I'm not saying this is what happened here, but it could be, and so I wanted to note it, for finding back and re-examining when we have more data about some of the players.

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GymHenson: Nmillar unvoted Catte awhile back with the reasoning of not wanting there to be/not liking** the building wagon on Catte....even though when they unvoted there were only 2 votes on Catte(mine and theirs) & the votes on Catte had actually been decreasing when Nmillar unvoted.
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nmillar: I thought I'd answered this already? gogtrial34987 never actually unvoted!
I present to you, the rules:
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ZFR: Remember though that you don't need to unvote if you wish to vote on someone else.
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nmillar: I thought I'd answered this already? gogtrial34987 never actually unvoted!

After this vote count, we had this from gotrial34987:

(Snipped post 77 snippet, done by GH)

No unvote on Catte, but it does look like this counted in the update vote count here (I don't know why I missed it - perhaps I had written out my post and forgotten to click to post my message? I have no idea.):
If you did state such before and I missed it, then my apologies.

That said, tbh I thought you had seen it and knew the vote count on Catte was(at that time, before your unvote) 2 for Catte.

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nmillar: So, as far as I was aware at the time, Catte still had 3 votes, so I unvoted.

I see you're trying to push my lynch again ...
In all honesty, I voted you in part because I wanted to make sure we got a lynch....any lynch.

You and joe were the highest wagons at the time, and as Joe was(at the time) seemingly leaving I didn't feel it right to vote for them.

Also you were on my (admittedly short) suspects list at the time(you still are now, albeit to a slightly lesser degree), so I felt i'd test you with a vote to see how you'd respond.

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nmillar: The only evidence you seem to be clinging to is this:

I clearly used an OMGUS response when you originally placed your vote.
That was a small part of why I started to suspecte you. I also suspected(before you cleared it up) the (to me) "rushed" unvote on Catte, and your reaction to me after my vote on you recently made me a bit more suspicious.

That all said, I would be willing to vote anyone(but me, obv) in general to avoid a nolynch....so if a wagon gets higher(if one isn't already) and we need votes to achieve a lynch then I will move my vote to make sure we get a lynch.
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GymHenson: That said and while you're here...what do you think of my vote on Nmillar(both me making it and if it's a good choice or not from your POV) and also their actions in general in this game?

(I ask as I have a strong suspicion of them, but would like further input from others as well)
I have no real objection towards it nor do I endorse it.

For me while his performance is overall not much pro-town play it is also not really different from last game nmillar where he was town.
It may be he plays the same way as mafia (it's years since I experienced him as one I think) but I don't think it tells us much.

The unvote on catte stuck out a bit and nmillar seemed to be a bit to ocareful considering how absent he seems otherwise but it is also true it was RVS wagon that got further than one would expect so it is also somewhat understandable.


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gogtrial34987: So here's a quote from #55: Yep, that's from trent.

@Catte, @Joe, @Vitek: You were there. Reread trent's posts from there (#986) till his last (#1018). Tell me that isn't the same caught scum trent as we have now?
i didn't have problem with voting trent before, I was just taking my time to see where the Lift thing will go (I still find it weird and his response was felt dismissive in scummy way but dedo is blowing right now too) because I feel like I never got proper response but yeah, this looks like it is quite similar situation wth the mafia trent again.

Votus POTUS trentonlf
EBWOP to my last post: I still suspect NMillar, albeit a bit less.

That said, of course I will "push" for the lynch of a player that I suspect (at that moment)....especially over other players I suspect less.

I mean that is how the game is supposed to be played, isn't it? o.0

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Vitek: I have no real objection towards it nor do I endorse it.
So if (key word: if) any other player was highest wagon at deadline.....even Nmillar.....then you'd vote for them?
(I mean if your own choice wasn't viable)

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Vitek: For me while his performance is overall not much pro-town play it is also not really different from last game nmillar where he was town.

It may be he plays the same way as mafia (it's years since I experienced him as one I think) but I don't think it tells us much.

The unvote on catte stuck out a bit and nmillar seemed to be a bit to ocareful considering how absent he seems otherwise but it is also true it was RVS wagon that got further than one would expect so it is also somewhat understandable.
Thanks for all the input
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gogtrial34987: I present to you, the rules:
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ZFR: Remember though that you don't need to unvote if you wish to vote on someone else.
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gogtrial34987:
Fair enough. This does mean relying on the vote counts though, and as previously mentioned I'd missed the one that appeared a short time before my unvote.

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nmillar: I don't know why I missed it - perhaps I had written out my post and forgotten to click to post my message? I have no idea.
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JoeSapphire: ah, I must have assumed he was referring to the slytherin thing. Was that you?
Yes, it was.


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gogtrial34987: Yep, that's from trent.
That's kind of what I had in mind when I made that meme. Scum!Trent usually tries to spin things to how we're doing scum's dirty work for them and his lynch is going cornerstone of the upcoming Town loss. This time he isn't making as big of a deal out if it but there is a similar feel to it. I agree with you it might be scum!Trent but technically it can also be Town!Trent who for some reason doesn't feel like putting effort in it.

I'd rather have the Lift situation resolved but I won't push for it as Tomorrow things are likely to be clearer anyway. I'm willing to switch to Trent if that is the more viable wagon.

Can someone remind me what is the current state of the deadline?
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dedoporno: Can someone remind me what is the current state of the deadline?
Wednesday 8PM UTC, as per post 318.
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trentonlf: Once y’all lynch me you and everyone else can trounce my poor play and how I didn’t really give y’all much to work with in finding scum. At least that’s what the typical thing to happen is on Day 2 after a mislynch on Day 1.
This has been asked before, but I don't see a response from you: why do you consider, that you'll be today's lynch? At the time you wrote that you had a grand total of 0 votes on you while nmillar had 4. That's not exactly a situation suggesting 'trent will be today's lynch'. Sure, gogtrial had mentioned you as his top-pick, but even he didn't vote you.

@gogtrial: by the way, why didn't you? Why mention trent as top pick but let your vote rest on your second pick Joe?
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gogtrial34987: The way we went from
wagon #1: 4
everything else: 1
to
wagon #1: 2
wagon #2: 2
everything else: 1
Meh.
Sure, it's maybe something one should bear in mind and look into when there are some flips but I don't see why it was worth pointing out at that moment.
Did it make you doubt your wagon when one of them joined your preferred wagon? Does it make anyone more likely to be mafia or town?
If not why did it gave you pause?


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GymHenson: So if (key word: if) any other player was highest wagon at deadline.....even Nmillar.....then you'd vote for them?
(I mean if your own choice wasn't viable)
No, certainly not any other player. Even though I hate no lynch I am not one to lynch someone I am not sold on simply to avoid it. I think I would join nmillar's or Lift's to get one, maybe, but only maybe Joe's (not sure about Micro or catte, more likely not) but otherwise I would be hard pressed to join one only to avoid no lynch.
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Vitek: No, certainly not any other player. Even though I hate no lynch I am not one to lynch someone I am not sold on simply to avoid it. I think I would join nmillar's or Lift's to get one, maybe, but only maybe Joe's (not sure about Micro or catte, more likely not) but otherwise I would be hard pressed to join one only to avoid no lynch.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.

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To everyone else:

Welp, we now have around 36 hours to achieve a consensus on who to lynch, if we want to avoid a nolynch.

I don't mind who it is atm, but if we're going to do it then we have to do it while we're all able to do so.

(as some of us are on differing time schedules and likely won't all be on at the time of deadline)

(Note: I will try my best to be on around deadline so I can change my vote if need be)
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Lifthrasil: At the time you wrote that you had a grand total of 0 votes on you while nmillar had 4. That's not exactly a situation suggesting 'trent will be today's lynch'. Sure, gogtrial had mentioned you as his top-pick, but even he didn't vote you.
I had voted trent (in #274) when he made that post.

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Vitek: I don't see why it was worth pointing out at that moment.
My post was not a carefully thought out "everyone, look at this!" pointer. It was an "I'm in this rush of having caught scum!trent, but no one else seems to be seeing it, and hey, what weirdness is this? Am I wrong about everything??!" placeholder before shutting down for the evening.
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Vitek: Did it make you doubt your wagon when one of them joined your preferred wagon? Does it make anyone more likely to be mafia or town?
Yes-ish? I pretty much always see all options - so, I could see scum!blotunga doing this, particularly if the wagon was scum!nmillar's, which would pretty much have to mean it's not scum!trent. That's not an option I consider very likely, but something which was playing through my mind.
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gogtrial34987: My post was not a carefully thought out "everyone, look at this!" pointer. It was an "I'm in this rush of having caught scum!trent, but no one else seems to be seeing it, and hey, what weirdness is this? Am I wrong about everything??!" placeholder before shutting down for the evening.
Shutting down?!?

Great, first we have bloomin yanks invading our beloved school, and now ROBOTS o.0 ;)

(Jokes aside, if yer going to sleep have a good nite)
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Lifthrasil: At the time you wrote that you had a grand total of 0 votes on you while nmillar had 4. That's not exactly a situation suggesting 'trent will be today's lynch'. Sure, gogtrial had mentioned you as his top-pick, but even he didn't vote you.
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gogtrial34987: I had voted trent (in #274) when he made that post.
Sorry. My bad. Still, that makes a total of 1 vote on him. Still not a reason to expect to be today's lynch. Especially not with someone else at 4 votes with the deadline not too far away.

@trent: so I would still like your reply to that question. Why did you assume (or pretend to assume) at that point, that you might be today's lynch?
Vote Count

trent 3 - gogtrial, blotunga, Vitek
nmillar 2 - trent, GH
Joe 1 - Micro
Micro 1 - Joe
gogtrial 1 - phaolo
Lift 1 - dedo
dedoporno 1 - Lift

Not voting - catte, nmillar

12 players in game. Takes 7 to lynch.

trent is closest at L-4

Whenever you see a vote count from me, please make sure your name is against the correct person. Let me know if there are any mistakes.

About 35 hrs till deadline