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General discussionGOG Mafia #69 (he he) - The Uniwizard Tournament: Second Edition(1202 posts)(1202 posts)
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Posted October 04, 2020
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gogtrial34987: Which most likely would've meant scum spread out over the houses (probably one each for Gryffindor, Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw, although possibly two in the same house).

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So, house claims themselves wouldn't tell us who was scum, but they'd tell us a lot about who likely wouldn't be scum together.
This actually is very clever. You're right, regardless of the final distribution, you can be sure that if three people claim HUfflepuff, they can't be the scum team, because the scum would likely spread their claims and would be worried about all claiming the same House.

The risk there is of course that they might have gotten safe fake-claims from me which would have been random.org-ed (or rather diced in this case), in which case your theory would no longer hold. Then again, had they randomly gotten the same House as their fake claim for the three of them, maybe they'd have panicked and changed it...

(By the way, yes I would give safe claims to scum if I thought balance demanded it. In fact in my previous game SK-Joe had a safe claim, which he decided not to use).
Posted October 04, 2020
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ZFR: No. People brush off your stances because your current reasons are wrong (catte + nmillar posting together; Vitek "stealing" your hammer). Nothing to do with your past style of play.
Imo it's more like some of my reasons are odd for suspecting others sometimes, and in other cases I say what I mean the wrong way(that happens sometimes....I can't think of the best words for what I feel so I try to say it as best I can in those cases).

And in such cases where my reasons seem odd, or i've stated them using odd and/or confusing wording, my teammates are free to ask me about them and what I meant. :)
Posted October 04, 2020
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ZFR: No. People brush off your stances because your current reasons are wrong (catte + nmillar posting together; Vitek "stealing" your hammer). Nothing to do with your past style of play.
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GymHenson: Imo it's more like some of my reasons are odd for suspecting others sometimes, and in other cases I say what I mean the wrong way(that happens sometimes....I can't think of the best words for what I feel so I try to say it as best I can in those cases).

And in such cases where my reasons seem odd, or i've stated them using odd and/or confusing wording, my teammates are free to ask me about them and what I meant. :)
In the case of Vitek hammering, or nmillar+SPF posting together, it wasn't a case of confusing wording or you being unclear. It was just wrong reasoning. Several people pointed out how those actions are NAI.

But regardless, it's never because of your previous style of play. People give you free-passes (to what would otherwise be seen as scummy) because of your previuos style of play. Not the other way round.
Posted October 04, 2020
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GymHenson: Also to everyone: Seems I was right to suspect the quickhammers on the two "days".....dangnabbit town, maybe next time listen a bit more to my "quirky" and "zany" ideas? o.0 ;)
Well, you were right suspecting me for the wrong reason. So only by accident. Because the quickhammer actually was an accident and nothing I would do on purpose. Accidents are independend of alignment.
Posted October 04, 2020
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ZFR: In the case of Vitek hammering, or nmillar+SPF posting together, it wasn't a case of confusing wording or you being unclear. It was just wrong reasoning. Several people pointed out how those actions are NAI.
Musing a bit:
That's just it...to other players they might be NAI, but to me such things can set off alarm bells.

That's one mistake(no offense meant to anyone btw) I think some players make.....possibly assuming that others view the posts or weighs posts the same as them....instead of going: "maybe he sees something I don't and there's maybe a good reason for their suspicions?" a bit more.

(Dunno if i'm saying all this right...please let me know if it's confusing somehow)

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Lifthrasil: Well, you were right suspecting me for the wrong reason. So only by accident. Because the quickhammer actually was an accident and nothing I would do on purpose. Accidents are independend of alignment.
So a "happy accident" then? Sweet :)
(and it seemed to have worked out well in the end)

(That's a bob ross reference btw, in case anyone didn't get that :))
Post edited October 04, 2020 by GymHenson
Posted October 04, 2020
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ZFR: In the case of Vitek hammering, or nmillar+SPF posting together, it wasn't a case of confusing wording or you being unclear. It was just wrong reasoning. Several people pointed out how those actions are NAI.
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GymHenson: Musing a bit:
That's just it...to other players they might be NAI, but to me such things can set off alarm bells.
Yes. It's NAI but it set off your alarm bells. That's the point.
Posted October 04, 2020
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ZFR: Yes. It's NAI but it set off your alarm bells. That's the point.
To most that's likely the case, but people need to remember that it's me we're talking about here and gauge accordingly. ;)

(Not just my play re: giving it a pass, but gauging my reads the same way as well)

But enough of that, I had a fun enough game so thanks for everything...it's been fun.....ciao everyone. :)
Post edited October 04, 2020 by GymHenson
Posted October 04, 2020
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ZFR: Yes. It's NAI but it set off your alarm bells. That's the point.
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GymHenson: To most that's likely the case, but people need to remember that it's me we're talking about here and gauge accordingly. ;)
So wait, First you complain that people react differently to your reads because it's you and they gauge accordingly, and now you want them to react differently to your reads because it's you and gauge accordingly?
Posted October 04, 2020
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gogtrial34987: ..
So, house claims themselves wouldn't tell us who was scum, but they'd tell us a lot about who likely wouldn't be scum together, and once we'd finally found one scum, the others could've been easier to identify.
Unless, as ZFR mentinoned they wouldn't be perhaps told tehre is no Hufflepuff, they would all claimed it, one of them would die and you would clear all others from there and would start suspecting all others only because they are from other houses.
I feel it has also potential for misleading town and losing them whole game based because they focus on wrong thing. I actually wish it to happen for town, that's why I myself used to plant red herrings for town to screw themselves over. :-)

Even if it is way to find scum, for me, this is something that mafia is not about. I don't want the game reduced to comparing claims, obsessing over flavour or even, as was sometimes case, looking for typos in role PMs to find who got what and who's scum. That one scared me as mod, because I do a lot of typos.
I understand for some it is way to play and they are free to do so but it is not something I am going to support or be happy about.


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GymHenson: Could you maybe make one more?

Maybe explain why you didn't let me hammer the one "day" and let me look more suspect by doing so? I mean if I were scum I would have let me hammer and be more suspect.
(But maybe you had reasoning i'm not fully seeing?)
But I already did.
I did it simply for fun. You aware going on about how you are going to hammmer soon, any minute now, it is coming, almost... and I felt like amusing myself by robbing you of it when you made such show of it.
It was few minutes until deadline, blotunga was offline, there was nothing useful to do naymore so there was no reason not to do it and I would say if there is no good reason not to do something, one is obliged to do it. :-)
Posted October 04, 2020
Thanks for hosting ZFR, congrats on the win for Mafia! Looking forward to the next game.
Posted October 05, 2020
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ZFR: So wait, First you complain that people react differently to your reads because it's you and they gauge accordingly, and now you want them to react differently to your reads because it's you and gauge accordingly?
As you said earlier, people already gauge me with my style of play in mind.

That's fine, but I wish people would maybe consider if there's any merits to my reads when I play as well.

For instance, if people had maybe took my suspicion on Vitek a bit more seriously we might have gotten a lynch of scum.

(Dunno if that makes any sense....hopefully I worded it right)

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Vitek: But I already did.
Oh you did already? I guess I missed that post or forgot about it.

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Vitek: I did it simply for fun. You aware going on about how you are going to hammmer soon, any minute now, it is coming, almost... and I felt like amusing myself by robbing you of it when you made such show of it.
It was few minutes until deadline, blotunga was offline, there was nothing useful to do naymore so there was no reason not to do it and I would say if there is no good reason not to do something, one is obliged to do it. :-)
So you did it for fun? And after I made that amazing nifty post to hammer too. Yer a meanie pants, ye are ;)

(The above is a joke, in case anyone didn't get that :))

Btw yer lucky you didn't do it to a better player....else they likely would've made a much better case than I did for suspecting you. :)

That all said, thanks for playing along with us and me....it twas a good time, methinks.
(Al though due to feeling rushed on some days with all the posts to reply to I didn't get to post as much flavor as I would have liked, but eh....there's always next game)
Post edited October 05, 2020 by GymHenson
Posted October 05, 2020
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GymHenson: That's fine, but I wish people would maybe consider if there's any merits to my reads when I play as well.

For instance, if people had maybe took my suspicion on Vitek a bit more seriously we might have gotten a lynch of scum.
People do consider if there are merits in your reads. In this instance there was no merit to your suspicion on Vitek or nmillar+SPF, as was explained by some members: it was NAI.

This has nothing to do with you or your style. If the same suspicion was voiced by gogtrial, dedo, Joe or myself, the response from others would have been same: It is NAI. Nobody disregarded your reads just because it was you who came up with it.
Posted October 05, 2020
I opened a signup thread for the next game:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shelter_a_fallout_themed_forum_mafia_game_signup/page1
Posted October 05, 2020
Congrats Mafia, you all played well while Town mostly didn't.

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GymHenson: That's fine, but I wish people would maybe consider if there's any merits to my reads when I play as well.

For instance, if people had maybe took my suspicion on Vitek a bit more seriously we might have gotten a lynch of scum.
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ZFR: People do consider if there are merits in your reads. In this instance there was no merit to your suspicion on Vitek or nmillar+SPF, as was explained by some members: it was NAI.

This has nothing to do with you or your style. If the same suspicion was voiced by gogtrial, dedo, Joe or myself, the response from others would have been same: It is NAI. Nobody disregarded your reads just because it was you who came up with it.
@GH:

I gotta agree with this. Suspecting the right players is good, but doing it for the wrong reasons is not. Don't forget that for a townie finding scum is only half the battle. Unless you're some vigilante, after you "know" who is scum your only recourse is to convince your peers to vote your pick and having flawed arguments takes a lot of credibility out of your read. What do you think a random townie should do then if another's read was entirely built upon flawed arguments?

I know that fact bloody well because it's what I most constantly struggle with when I play. Every game it doesn't take long for me to begin suspecting a player more than the others due to a "gut-feel". That's all fine and dandy for concentrating on scum but after that I suffer to find "evidence" against a scum player, even if I am convinced they are up to no good. I still have to get a lot better at it. If I were to simply point to Catte and say "I suspect him based on nothing more than feels" I would expect everyone else to start suspecting me instead for a possible attempt of shading (and a pathetic one at that).

Another point to consider is that when you build your suspicion upon NAI stuff you might end up on wild crusades against some random townies, like it happened with nmillar and catte. Which is why other townies dismissed those reads. As ZFR said, not because of your past or your style but because there was zero substance holding that suspicion.

That said, I don't agree with the others about your read on Vitek because I did think there was something really weird about that hammer. I don't think Town!Vivek would have done it. I wouldn't call him scum solely based on that but It raised my suspicions and combined with other posts of him he was my main suspect during D3.

Oh and BTW, I gotta commend your improvement. You have shown yourself more focused than ever before; your D1 and half D2 were very good. Too bad you eventually tunneled for the wrong reasons. Work on those reasons and, as Lift said, soon you'll be judged as harshly as he or many others are :)
Post edited October 05, 2020 by joppo
Posted October 05, 2020
Well said. Now you've got to join the new game.

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joppo: That said, I don't agree with the others about your read on Vitek because I did think there was something really weird about that hammer. I don't think Town!Vivek would have done it. I wouldn't call him scum solely based on that but It raised my suspicions and combined with other posts of him he was my main suspect during D3.
I can't be sure myself but I think I would be even more prone to do so, because as mafia I am quite self-conscious and question how will everything look but as town I have no such qualms. :-)
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