Lifthrasil: OK. Game is on again. It's a bother that I coulnd't be around for the end of the Day.

What have we learned since then? Scene's defense of Micro, that Laser talked about, wasn't due to Scene/Micro being scumbuddies. Since Micro wasn't scum. Scene's attempted deflection to ZFR still looks strange, though.

@Laser: you said that Scene is confirmed Town, after scum-reading him for a while. How is he confirmed?

Lifthrasil: Yes. Of course. If Pookina's claim is false, she is scum. A Vig usually has the concern that he might accidentally shoot Town. But having a proven scum target, there is no reason to hold back that shot. Especially since counter-claiming just would get the Vig killed in the Night. What's your reasoning?

Lifthrasil: And this fits SPF's concern. So Laser most likely is the Bulletproof Scum. Self-voting is almost never a pro-Town move.

LASER97: Irrelevant. Potentially clearing 5-6 players in a mass claim would make it virtually impossible for scum to win.

Cadaver747: Cadaver - me, according to SPF and Carradice leaning Mafia (according to Carradice *lazy Mafia* even)

Pookina: I'll probably not do a disruptive play like this again. I am already feeling a little stupid. Being granted the vigilante role was something of a burden on my shoulder, I think. It's sort of...I only get to use it once, and with my track record, I'd be lucky to have used it. That plus my previous misconception around the role, and I messed it up. No way around that.

But, I need to feel stupid. If I don't now, then when? That's what I call learning.

Kill Lifthrasil

Come the morning, I'll insta-vote Laser, if I am alive. If I am not, I expect to see him lynched - and will be disappoint if I don't see it happen either way.

Carradice: Sorry pal, it seems that prodded you out of this world. Your posts of today merely bring you to the SO-SO plateau, together with Scenes. Not such a bad place to be, but there are better.

SirPrimalform: How would we clear 5-6 players? There are only 4 town regulars in the game.

cristigale: Guess we wait on Joe now...

LASER97: Joe poorly designed a 12p setup with 3 town power roles, and one of them is a cop. Even if mafia fake claimed, tpwn would still win using logical process of elimination.

There's a reason why the vast majority of 12p open setups only have 2 town PRs. I warned Joe of this before the game started.

cristigale: I don't know. If Joe doesn't kill Lift in his next post, I assume it means there was a block. (Or Pooka is scum...I can't go there).

SirPrimalform: I can't remember, do we get acknowledgement of a bulletfroofed/blocked kill?

Cadaver747: By *you own standards* mind you. Apologies NOT accepted. I'm okay if someone accused me of being Mafia especially for something serious, but lazy Mafia? No, not on my watch. And you practically called me a liar calling my quotes as *misquoted*. I don't care about your place.

Carradice: Yes, that is my current read on you. Are you offended because other players have reads on you?

*Sigh* Talk about overreactions?

Are you pulling my leg or what? I guess I will find after the game ends (or maybe before, with a little bit of luck?).

In case there is any doubt, right now will NOT vote for the Lift, nor for Shirley Primalley.

SirPrimalform: Ok, well let's say we mass claim. Everyone apart from the town power roles will claim "regular". Then what? How do you choose which of the 7 regular claims is scum? As long as the strongarm is alive the doc can't protect anyone.

SirPrimalform: That's the point. If there's no acknowledgement then Pooka isn't actually verified. Of course that would mean there's a different real vig out there which at this point seems fairly unlikely.

What do you make of LASER's "let's break the setup open" plan? I don't see it working at this stage.

SirPrimalform: Ok, well let's say we mass claim. Everyone apart from the town power roles will claim "regular". Then what? How do you choose which of the 7 regular claims is scum? As long as the strongarm is alive the doc can't protect anyone.