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Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: Anyone who thinks Laser is scum should vote for him. But saying that you (any player) are voitng for him as a policy lynch or we need the information, just gives scum an excuse to vote and not take any heat for it.
OK. This seems to be an intentional misrepresentation. I left no doubt whatsoever that I view Laser as almost certain scum. So I'm not voting for him as policy lynch. The fact that his flip will give us a lot of information is just a bonus - and if that bonus convinces some players to finally off the scummiest player, all the better.

But your attempt to paint it as if I had suggested a policy lynch or as if that was even my reason to vote Laser looks really off. Especially after Laser already tried to do something similar. Getting much less Towny vibes from you now. Are you Laser's scumbuddy after all?

SPF already replied to you regarding the cop thing. Posts from Today in which I state my feelings/reads on other players than Laser would be, for example, posts 767, 691, 457...

Something different:
@Scene: you still haven't replied to my question about why you see SPF as liar. Could you explain that to me?

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Carradice: This argument is used against the Lift. However, Lazy was very vocal about voting for Micro without conviction (always so convenient), yet it seems to be OK for Cristine. Mysteries.
Not really a mystery. Cristi is trying to defend Laser and therefore, of course, won't include anything that makes Laser look bad in that defense. The big question is only: WHY does cristi want to defend Laser that badly?

@Cristi: care to explain?

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Pookina: So Tomorrow, we lynch Laser, obviously. I'm decided to offing Lift, and will finalize this decision after I eat me food.
Fine. Then be prepared to feel stupid Tomorrow. I really don't understand your reasoning. You read Laser as scummy. Scummy enough that you want him to be a lynch. But you want to shoot me instead. ... Why? Just so that you can feel that you made a difference? Was it too boring to shoot someone who would have been lynched anyhow? You even forced GR to back down from voting Laser using your power as a threat. ... That is very bad play. But you do you. Scum will thank you for it.
Posted May 22, 2020
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GameRager: Eh, I think Cristi hasn't lurked that much. Why do you think cristi lurks, if I may ask?
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Carradice: In Day-1 she was intermitently absent. Then, in Day-2 she took her sweet time to get to the thread. Thence, the impression of absence. Actually the three who took longer (all mentioned in the list) were the Lift, Lonzi and Cristine herself. You have been more present in D-2. All of the above have mentioned RL reasons for their absences, except for Cristine, or I have missed it. It is not alignment-indicative per se, just another factor to consider. That said, she has been more present since she finally appeared in D-2.
So intermittently absent is your definition of lurker. By that definition, you also lurked day one. Seems hypocritical.

I also would appreciate an answer to my question about ZFR. If ZFR is a brilliant player, how was I able to stop him in his tracks? If he changed his mind, wouldn't that change of mind be genuine? It sounds like you are trying to downplay his change of mind on that matter.
Posted May 22, 2020
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Carradice: You can keep twisting my words about Pookie and his options. You are not going to get anything out of it. The intent was clear. Before Joe's explanation, actually the scummy stance was the "fire, no matter the consequences". Your stance.
Call it whatever you like. Have you mentioned Doctor on D1? Yes. Have you said *POOKIE, you CAN save your shot for another game-day*? Yes. I'm not going to get anything out of it. Lynch me, or ask Pooka to kill me since I SO SCUM all of a sudden. Funny how 1 post can change your perspective of me.

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Carradice: Today, you said that Lift and I (althoug you were not sure if it was Lift and I, but nevertheless, you dropped the names) were discussing roles, that we discussed the Doc role and that, for that reason, the Doc should focus precisely on us two. (even if you had said that you were unsure about the names). Seriously? I think that has been a serious mistep for you in many ways. You are having the chance to explain or clarify, yet instead you reply with vague threats. It does not make it look any better.
Today I said that yes. If you lynch/kill me it's definitely a serious misstep of me.
Check again what exactly I told about doctor and accuse me all day long:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_66_lunch_at_gogs_restaurant/post883

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Carradice: Who is overreacting over "lazy mafia"...?
Oh yes, it's me. You *caught me*, you pinned me as Mafia. What shall I do, what shall I do... What did you expect really? *Thank you very much for calling me lazy*??? Have nothing against Mafia though, I'm so shady lately, I dared to discuss your own posts. Shame on me.
Posted May 22, 2020
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Pookina: I'm decided to offing Lift, and will finalize this decision after I eat me food.
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SirPrimalform: So has Lift claimed yet? Or declined to?
Right. Technically with Pookas announcement I am at an equivalent of L-1, I think. So I might as well claim. Even if I don't have anything interesting to claim. I'm just a Town Regular.

My parting advice: lynch Laser Tomorrow and when he flips scum, as I expect he will, take a very good look at cristi. Initially that defense seemed like a genuine mismatch in scum reads. But the recent double standard and extended defense of Laser, even against all evidence of his scumminess, really looks off.
Posted May 22, 2020
Wait a minute Pooka...

Three people have claimed town regular, which means that one of us is guaranteed to be lying.
Posted May 22, 2020
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LASER97: Wait a minute Pooka...

Three people have claimed town regular, which means that one of us is guaranteed to be lying.
How does that work? There were 6 town regulars at the beginning of the game and two have flipped.
Posted May 22, 2020
Sorry, that was an intentional brain fart. Carry on...
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: Anyone who thinks Laser is scum should vote for him. But saying that you (any player) are voitng for him as a policy lynch or we need the information, just gives scum an excuse to vote and not take any heat for it.
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Lifthrasil: OK. This seems to be an intentional misrepresentation. I left no doubt whatsoever that I view Laser as almost certain scum. So I'm not voting for him as policy lynch. The fact that his flip will give us a lot of information is just a bonus - and if that bonus convinces some players to finally off the scummiest player, all the better.

But your attempt to paint it as if I had suggested a policy lynch or as if that was even my reason to vote Laser looks really off. Especially after Laser already tried to do something similar. Getting much less Towny vibes from you now. Are you Laser's scumbuddy after all?

SPF already replied to you regarding the cop thing. Posts from Today in which I state my feelings/reads on other players than Laser would be, for example, posts 767, 691, 457...
If you are town, I am sorry if it came across that way. This is the part I was referring to:

"One way or the other, Lazer has been integral to this Day and many relation can be analyzed once we have his flip. Doing so before the flip is speculation with very little actual content. By now, I think we need Lasers flip, even in the unlikely event that he should turn out a mis-lynch."

I read this as you think we need to flip Laser regardless of alignment, which is a policy lynch. I don't agree.
Posted May 22, 2020
@Pooka,

For your consideration. And please double check my statements about doctor and tell me why do you think Doctor should protect a cop against *unprotectable* Strong Arm and block his investigation role all of a sudden?

Laser vs. SPF (1 potential Mafia)
Scene vs. Lith (1 potential Mafia)
Cristi vs. Carradice (1 potential Mafia)

GR - Dark Horse, could be anything
Cadaver - me, according to SPF and Carradice leaning Mafia (according to Carradice *lazy Mafia* even)
Lonzi - a saint, best candidate for Mafia Infernale
Pooka - a possible *fake* day shooter ;)
Posted May 22, 2020
Wait a second, Pooka!

If another player were to claim regular townie, that would clear Lift, Scene, and Me, or prove that one of us is lying.
Posted May 22, 2020
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Lifthrasil: Then be prepared to feel stupid Tomorrow.
I'll probably not do a disruptive play like this again. I am already feeling a little stupid. Being granted the vigilante role was something of a burden on my shoulder, I think. It's sort of...I only get to use it once, and with my track record, I'd be lucky to have used it. That plus my previous misconception around the role, and I messed it up. No way around that.

But, I need to feel stupid. If I don't now, then when? That's what I call learning.

Kill Lifthrasil

Come the morning, I'll insta-vote Laser, if I am alive. If I am not, I expect to see him lynched - and will be disappoint if I don't see it happen either way.
Posted May 22, 2020
You moron! We could have mathematically broken the setup just now.
Posted May 22, 2020
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LASER97: Wait a second, Pooka!

If another player were to claim regular townie, that would clear Lift, Scene, and Me, or prove that one of us is lying.
It would also aid the mafia PoE.
Posted May 22, 2020
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Lifthrasil: Then be prepared to feel stupid Tomorrow.
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Pookina: I'll probably not do a disruptive play like this again. I am already feeling a little stupid. Being granted the vigilante role was something of a burden on my shoulder, I think. It's sort of...I only get to use it once, and with my track record, I'd be lucky to have used it. That plus my previous misconception around the role, and I messed it up. No way around that.

But, I need to feel stupid. If I don't now, then when? That's what I call learning.

Kill Lifthrasil

Come the morning, I'll insta-vote Laser, if I am alive. If I am not, I expect to see him lynched - and will be disappoint if I don't see it happen either way.
You could have consulted with Joe in private chat about your role restrictions. You helped Mafia by claiming, but at least now you NK free since you're plain vanilla. I will apologize like I promised soon after Joe's confirmation. If you really like I can even spank you a bit (I was it in your face, you were happy then).
Posted May 22, 2020
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SirPrimalform: It would also aid the mafia PoE.
Irrelevant. Potentially clearing 5-6 players in a mass claim would make it virtually impossible for scum to win.
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