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Would you just shut the fuck up already and shoot? I'm sick of your ego trip bringing the game to a halt.
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Pookina: Very possible. If one of them got dayvigged.
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Cadaver747: Oh, Miss Pookina! You're suggesting a day wig for a second time now. I'm very tempted to grab YOUR.BIG.BUTT...on that beautiful dress of yours and rip it off!
??????

Wtf?
Replied to SPF/Carradice/Pook(in)a/Lonzi
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SirPrimalform: I was bothered by it on D1 but it hadn't yet occurred to me why Scene might get so confused by it. The speed at which LASER jumped to the hard conclusion Scene is town is part of what makes me think the whole thing was contrived to 'clear' Scene.
What if it was a scum!laser trying to paint a town!scene with some shading?

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Carradice: FACT: FIRST DRAFT FOR D-2 SUSPICION TABLES
The charts are still confusing as ever(to me)...but seem well done....thanks for posting them.
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Pookina: What happened is, now I (and only I) get to decide who leaves the game.
For now.....as I said, I will re-vote if we get too close to deadline and you fail to use your alleged(for now) power, to help us avoid a no lynch.

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Pookina: I also actively shut down the Laser wagon (see me threatening GR with killing him for bringing Laser to L-1)
Which is a bit "funny" as I believe you were going to shoot laser earlier.

(Also btw an aside: I was thinking of leaving my vote on laser earlier AFTER you "thretened" me with the day vig....I mean I want to keep playing and help us win(and didn't want to get shot by you if you are day vig), but also wanted to test you to see if you're the day vig or not.....I only dropped the vote to give you a chance to find actual scum amongst the player base.....and you seem to be taking your grand old time of it for some reason :|

I mean yes, make sure to make a good shot and all, but if you don't feel like it[for some odd reason] we need ample time to get a suspect's wagon to lynch if you choose that route.)


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lonzi: I mean, sure, even if that's the case here on Gog that's beside the point. There's a difference between categorizing someone as a lurker and saying that your read on them is that they're a lurker. Scenes said I was an unknown, and that was the grand total of his read, unless there's stuff I'm missing on account of not having caught up. I genuinely have a hard time believing that anyone can look at my posts in this game and come out of them thinking "what an unknown this player is," like maybe I'm wrong because I also didn't believe that anyone could think of me as a lurker here but it felt fake to me.
Eh, maybe it was "fake"...who knows.....all I was trying to say is that it's just normal game play for some in GOG mafia games.

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(Done for now.....any questions/comments/replies/etc are welcome if anyone has any as I will be here for the next several hours[on GOG I mean, and the net, not just this thread])
GameRager is giving me some warning signs, but what really had me is when he voted Laser right after my claim. Confronted about it, he brought up the deadline...despite the day being a day old at the time. He claims he's forgetful, and he is, but...this the first time he forgets the deadline? I don't buy it. If he forgot the deadline, why didn't he forget that it was Night and that he shouldn't post in the Night? Something about him reeks and I perfectly don't mind shooting him.

Scene, well I thought he was doing good at the beginning. Then Laser fake kills him, and he claims "vanilla" right after it. It still feels like some sort of distancing ploy that went right over-the-top, it got him cuffed with Laser. I don't mind shooting him.

Lonzi - Good
SPF - Good
Lift - Mixed
Laser - Bad
Carradice - Good
Cadaver - Good
Cristi - Good
GameRager - Bad
Scene - Bad

If I were to shoot GameRager, what is the likelihood that you guys will go after scene? I know Laser is a given at this point, but just making sure. Also, might as well go through Laser's backlog of messages and see how he interacted with others, other than scene and I.
You are going to look like an idiot no matter which three of us you kill.
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Pookina: GameRager is giving me some warning signs, but what really had me is when he voted Laser right after my claim. Confronted about it, he brought up the deadline...despite the day being a day old at the time. He claims he's forgetful, and he is, but...this the first time he forgets the deadline? I don't buy it. If he forgot the deadline, why didn't he forget that it was Night and that he shouldn't post in the Night? Something about him reeks and I perfectly don't mind shooting him.
I already said why....to several players.....I have personal/private matters IRL that are weighing heavily on my mind(impossible to prove, I know, and I didn't list what they are....others can and should feel free to suspect/lynch/etc me for it if they choose/want to, but this isn't your normal every day IRL issue and I feel it best not to spread such things in public threads).

As for why I know it is night phase and when to not post more than deadline in this case: I check the last few posts and page of a game to make sure it's not night phase, so I don't accidentally post then. Usually the deadline posts aren't on the latest page or within the latest few posts of a mafia game, and if they aren't I might miss them**.

(**=Due in part to being a bit lazy and not wanting to wade through a ton of posts and pages to find joe's deadline posts or some other posts by others)

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Pookina: If I were to shoot GameRager, what is the likelihood that you guys will go after scene? I know Laser is a given at this point, but just making sure. Also, might as well go through Laser's backlog of messages and see how he interacted with others, other than scene and I.
*Gr stands up, faces Pook(in)a and lifts his shirt*

"Look, at this point I agree a bit with laser(although not how he phrases it)...this is getting tedious and drawn out....either shoot me or someone else or let us go to lunch already"
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cristigale: Did a quick ISO and saw it.

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Pookina: Playtime's over, ladies and gentlemen. I'm very angry, no, pissed off, and I have a bullet to spare. Killing people is fun, you know? It's more fun taking away a person's life than engaging in small talk about lingerie. Especially if they're scum. I, the hot and perverted Miss Pookie Mustard, am the One-Shot Day Vigilante.
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cristigale: Please wait until I catch up and we can talk.
Wait, HOW?

How do you ISO people?
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lonzi: Wait, HOW?

How do you ISO people?
You copy all a player's posts for a game/for the day to a wordpad/notepad or similar and look at them side by side, then use that to make a judgement call on them(iirc that's how it works).
Also to those who are saying I'm taking my grand old time:
Friday evening is my deadline.

The whole point of prolonging everyone's suffering was...drawing out tons of reactions and generating enough content to be examined for ages, even when the Day is over. That plan worked. Nearly 350 posts for Day 2. The three mafiosos have left enough marks to get them caught later, if not now. So bear with it. If you want to end the day earlier, go ahead and start voting someone to lynch. I won't threaten anyone from now on.

Still, the more I think about it, the more Lift appears to be bugging me. Even though it's been explained several times, he goes and asks me to shoot Laser instead of voting him like SPF was requesting. After Joe popped up with an explanation of the day vig and when the shot doesn't occur, he still insists to lynch the attempted target rather than ask first if it's the work of the doc/blocker. And I feel he's the walking WIFOM Lift now. In addition, he did mention that him sticking to LAL was not alignment indicative, he was just that angry by Agent's remarks - but it wasn't a Town thing. So now, I'll have to demote him.

Lonzi - Good
SPF - Good
Lift - Bad
Laser - Bad
Carradice - Good
Cadaver - Good
Cristi - Good
GameRager - Bad
Scene - Bad

Another benefit to offing Lift is seeing how he flips and gauging that against scene's remarks, which in turn gauged against Laser. I'm finding the idea tempting, and I'm going to pull the trigger Friday morning if nothing changes my mind on Lift...

Wait, holy. Scene and Laser were throwing accusations on each other, possibly distancing on Day 1. Scene was also accusing Lift of a lazy vote, another possible distancing...hmm...
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Pookina: Also to those who are saying I'm taking my grand old time:
Friday evening is my deadline.
That's cutting it close to the actual deadline....but ok, whatevers.

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Pookina: The whole point of prolonging everyone's suffering was...drawing out tons of reactions and generating enough content to be examined for ages, even when the Day is over. That plan worked. Nearly 350 posts for Day 2. The three mafiosos have left enough marks to get them caught later, if not now. So bear with it.
What if they(scum) didn't and what if your reads are wrong?

(Yes, some could be right, probabilities and all)

Also why haven't you picked a shot now that you've gathered all this info on everyone?

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Pookina: If you want to end the day earlier, go ahead and start voting someone to lynch. I won't threaten anyone from now on.
And if you are day vig and we lynch someone and scum get you during the night phase we'll have lost a fellow town(and maybe 2 if the lynch choice turns out to be town)....also we'll all have collective egg on our faces(and rightly so).

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Pookina: Still, the more I think about it, the more Lift appears to be bugging me. Even though it's been explained several times, he goes and asks me to shoot Laser instead of voting him like SPF was requesting. After Joe popped up with an explanation of the day vig and when the shot doesn't occur, he still insists to lynch the attempted target rather than ask first if it's the work of the doc/blocker. And I feel he's the walking WIFOM Lift now. In addition, he did mention that him sticking to LAL was not alignment indicative, he was just that angry by Agent's remarks - but it wasn't a Town thing. So now, I'll have to demote him.

Another benefit to offing Lift is seeing how he flips and gauging that against scene's remarks, which in turn gauged against Laser. I'm finding the idea tempting, and I'm going to pull the trigger Friday morning if nothing changes my mind on Lift...
Atm I don't have a read either way on Lift.....if you shoot them make sure you're sure and have a good read on them before doing so....you don't want to shoot a town by mistake.

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Pookina: Wait, holy. Scene and Laser were throwing accusations on each other, possibly distancing on Day 1. Scene was also accusing Lift of a lazy vote, another possible distancing...hmm...
You didn't see that before?!? I thought you were paying attention to the game better than me? o.0 ;)
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lonzi: Wait, HOW?

How do you ISO people?
You should get two extensions for greasemonkey or tampermonkey to greatly enhance the GOG experience, especially this wreck of a forums. Barefoot Monkey and Adalia Fundamentals. I think the latter includes a post search utility, which you can use to search every post in a thread with filters such as username. Useful for ISOs. The former includes stuff like quick posts, which are great.

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GameRager: also we'll all have collective egg on our faces(and rightly so).
As long as we're having fun, then why not?

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GameRager: You didn't see that before?!? I thought you were paying attention to the game better than me? o.0 ;)
Surprise surprise. I am only a homosapien.
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Pookina: As long as we're having fun, then why not?
True....don't tell the "win at all costs" players that though. o.0

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Pookina: Surprise surprise. I am only a homosapien.
I know.....I was just making a playful jab related to how you questioned how I missed the deadline post earlier. No harm no foul, eh? :)
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SirPrimalform: In what (mafia) universe is self-voting considered not anti-town? You do make some good points though, it's not really helpful or productive play for either faction. Still, I feel like if anyone would have the balls to bait us as scum it would be LASER.
I am not a fan of self-voting. In my experience, most players find it scummy. Doing something scummy does not make a player scum. From the best I can recollect, I have witnessed more self-votes from town (usually from frustration) than from actual scum. But scum do use it.
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cristigale: Did a quick ISO and saw it.

Please wait until I catch up and we can talk.
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lonzi: Wait, HOW?

How do you ISO people?
As Pookina said, Adalia Fundamentals is a life saver. You can ISO by player and other searches.
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cristigale: Could Laser be scum? Of course he could. Scum can take that route, but it's not very productive...baiting people to lynch you. I think Laser plays this way to get reactions. Assuming I am right, I am guessing scum jumps at lynching this. I am trying to gauge between honest townies who think he is scum (my impression of scene) and scum being opportunistic. If I am wrong, not a good look for me.

The speed is actually why I read the interaction town/town. It was off-the cuff and didn't feel forced. I believed scene's reaction, I think he really believed he'd been killed. Laser could have done that as scum, but I see little gain for scum to do that at that time and in that way.

Laser could just be punking us as scum, I doubt it.
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Cadaver747: Yes, why would Laser act in that bizarre way if not for reaction and scanning for Town / Mafia. To some extent I can picture Laser as Town, probably that's why ZFR unvoted him yesterDay. If Laser is Town he *saved* Scene on D1 (checked with fake kill > then derp clear him to be precise) to avoid possible waste of Town lynch and... assisted in lynching poor old Micro which of course for some looked liked pure, thought not smart, Mafia.

But I don't get Scene's play at all, I don't understand his logic, his unvote on Micro and quick hammer. Why Laser would go so far to help Scene, why he is reading him as Town. I just can't understand how Scene could be Town. And seeing how some reading him as Town amazes me, if I'm so blind please help me see it from a different perspective.
I don't get scene's logic. There are some posts I follow, but others are a pure quagmire. I don't have anything to help you on following his logic. My guess is he probably always looks scum based just on logic. (no offense scene). My read on scene is based mostly on intuition. I believe that he believes what he is saying, I am not sure how to put that better...his explanations seem honest even when I don't follow the logic. I don't get the sense he's trying to snow anyone.