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supplementscene: UNVOTE LASER

I think he's confirmed Mafia. HOWEVER - we need a discussion about Pooka's vig shot
We're having it, dive in! I'm still of the opinion that if we have the consensus for a lynch then we should lynch him as it carries no risk of failure. I understand Carradice's reasoning but I counter that with Pooka should have read his PM if he didn't want to waste his vig shot. I even pointed out the day-ending nature of it on Day 1...
What's the plan after I flip town? That discussion is worth having as well.
If we lynch someone other than Pooka and Pooka will not shot and Pooka lives through the night then I'll vote Pooka, I would even put Pooka to lynch to either prove his powers or die miserably as stupid Mafia / stupid Town.

I think Pooka should use his shot but not on Laser since so many are willing to lynch him anyway. I certainly don't trust Laser/Scene, however I don't feel comfortable about *directing* who should be shot and for some reason I think both of them could have be lynched anyway. But maybe I'm wrong and Scene is so Town and I'm so blind. Anyway I don't trust anyone except for Joe, Micro and ZFR.

I think if Pooka is fake the real Day Shooter might not want to reveal himself/herself but should wait / soft probe for a *demonstration*. If Pooka is fake he probably will wait till 5 seconds at EOD and then say "Oops, I felt asleep, but I'll definitely shot someone tomorrow*, and all this absurd play was done only to bring confusion, to detract our attention from something, to read Power Roles among the Town, to prolong the agony. But it's a big IF of course, still I don't trust Pooka. I see you all trust him, maybe you know how to have your fun properly.

I'm OK with lynch Laser/Scene. I'm fine with checking for alternatives as well.

Laser Bulletproof in an interesting theory but why would risk his life on Day 1 for Scene, and even toDay he is saying that killing Scene would be a mistake. Would be hilarious if Mafia put a redirection on him. If Pooka is Mafia he also could be bulletproof.

That last vote from GR is bad, like all his play maybe - Joe haven't posted yet and GR thought how he could have missed the day.
And that SPF was supportive a bit is also strange, his willingness to lynch Laser but not Scene is OK, I guess? His desire to lynch instead of day shot is very odd, if he has a Bulletproof vibes from Laser couldn't Pooka just shot someone else and then we can lynch Laser later (next Day)?
Lith/Carradice communication is interesting.

I don't have Town reads at all.
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Cadaver747: And that SPF was supportive a bit is also strange,
Supportine of what? Trying to get Scene to post more?

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Cadaver747: his willingness to lynch Laser but not Scene is OK, I guess?
It was about 50/50 at the beginning of the day, but LASER's behaviour has drawn all of my focus from Scene. I haven't cleared Scene by a long shot, I just find that LASER looks a lot scummier right now.

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Cadaver747: His desire to lynch instead of day shot is very odd, if he has a Bulletproof vibes from Laser couldn't Pooka just shot someone else and then we can lynch Laser later (next Day)?
Of course Pooka could shoot someone else. My entire point about lynching LASER has been conditional, on the basis that Pooka decided that LASER was going to be shot. If Pooka want to shoot someone else that's fine.
If you look back at where I first made the point, it was in response to Pooka saying he'd shoot LASER.
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SirPrimalform: Supportine of what? Trying to get Scene to post more?
I haven't said it properly. GR made an odd move by voting on a pretense that it might be too late. Pookina rightfully so pinned GR on that and you were *supportive* (wow, you're right, I could have sworn it started on Monday...). Not that it's strange, but your reaction for some reason drew my attention. If you'll call me paranoid, I'll agree, I am.
Have nothing against you or someone else in *forcing* Scene to post more.

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SirPrimalform: It was about 50/50 at the beginning of the day, but LASER's behaviour has drawn all of my focus from Scene. I haven't cleared Scene by a long shot, I just find that LASER looks a lot scummier right now.
I see now, good to know that there are more people who think that Scene is fishy.

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SirPrimalform: Of course Pooka could shoot someone else. My entire point about lynching LASER has been conditional, on the basis that Pooka decided that LASER was going to be shot. If Pooka want to shoot someone else that's fine.
If you look back at where I first made the point, it was in response to Pooka saying he'd shoot LASER.
OK. Then I'm sorry, probably I misread your posts and made a wrong conclusion. For some reason I thought you were all about *let's lynch - don't shoot*.
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Cadaver747: I haven't said it properly. GR made an odd move by voting on a pretense that it might be too late. Pookina rightfully so pinned GR on that and you were *supportive* (wow, you're right, I could have sworn it started on Monday...). Not that it's strange, but your reaction for some reason drew my attention. If you'll call me paranoid, I'll agree, I am.
Have nothing against you or someone else in *forcing* Scene to post more.
I was agreeing with Pookina, I read him as being surprised the Day was only a day old. I was also surprised to find the Day was only a day old so I agreed. Me thinking the day was two days old is hardly a defence of GR, because even if we were 2 days it wouldn't justify his fear of being close to the deadline.

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Cadaver747: I see now, good to know that there are more people who think that Scene is fishy.
Indeed. I think him popping up and saying that he thinks we should discuss Pooka's vig shot, without actually contributing to the ongoing discussion about Pooka's vig shot doesn't do anything to improve the smell.

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Cadaver747: OK. Then I'm sorry, probably I misread your posts and made a wrong conclusion. For some reason I thought you were all about *let's lynch - don't shoot*.
It's ok. I guess my point summarised is that it's silly to shoot someone that there's a consensus to lynch since a lynch is more certain to work on bad guys.

If Pooka wants to surprise us by shooting someone that only he thinks is scummy that's his prerogative (and pretty much the point of his power).
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supplementscene: Absolutely shocking play by Pooka, you're meant to hold that power back until everyones piling in on you or when you have a very strong scum scent that no one else can smell.
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Pookina: I can't predict when I'll be offed by the mafia, can I?
No but now you're in a position where you have to take a shot off very little information. Shooting Laser is pointless as he will be the next lynch

So you have to pick whoever you consider the most likely Mafia player.

Personally I think Liftrasil putting a 3rd vote on you on the first page off the back of a joke looked the most scummy thing, Laser aside. Like he was trying to build a wagon rather than scumhunt. Then he started the wagon on Micro, who turned out to be Town.

If you don't shoot someone and you survive you should probably be lynched tomorrow
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supplementscene: If you don't shoot someone and you survive you should probably be lynched tomorrow
If that happens we can simply test Pooka and lynch him if he fails the test.
For those who missed it and might like it, here goes again the parting gift for Micro. Now with the full lyrics (and some little improvements), in case you have trouble opening the video or something.

You will enjoy it better by selecting the subtitles (the captions) for English-British. That way you will be able to watch the video, listen to the music, and consider the proposed lyrics.

Also, watch out for the superf performance of everyone on stage. Including the three ballerinas. It is not easy to dance in those dresses. The slim one who starts at the right of the spectator does a superb performance (plus, I can really relate to her), but again, everyone does. The interrogator is awesome as well.


So now, with no more ado, with you, ladies and gentlemen:



M I K E T H E F I S H S U P E R S T A R




Micro, I am overjoyed
To meet You face to face
You've been getting quite a name
All around the place

Making ripples
Being LAMIST in the thread
And now I understand You're Town
At least that's what You've said

So You are the Fish
You're the great Mike the Fish
Prove to me that You're the Doc
Heal the Vigger and the Cop

That's all You need do
And I'll know it's all true
C'mon "Vanilla Town"

Micro, You just won't believe
The hit You've made around here
You are all we talk about
The wonder of the year

Oh, what a pity
If it's all a lie
Still I'm sure that You can rock
The cynics if You try

So if You are the Fish
You're the great Mike the Fish
Prove to me that You're no fool
Be a Vig and shoot a fool

If You do that for me
Then I'll let You go free
C'mon, "Vanilla Town"

I only ask things I'd ask any superstar
What is it that You have got
That puts You where You are?

I am waiting, yes, I'm a captive fan
I'm dying to be shown
That You are not just any man

So if You are the Fish
Yes, the great Mike the Fish
Be a good Cop, give your reads

You can do it on Your head
Or has something gone wrong?
Why do You take so long?
Come on, "Vanilla Town"

Hey, aren't You scared of me, Fish?
Mr. Wonderful Fish
You're a joke, You're not of Town
You are nothing but a fraud

Take Him away
He's got nothing to say
Get out, You "Vanilla", get out
Get out, You "Vanilla Town"
Get out, You "Vanilla Town"
Get out of my life
Also @Pooka it wouldn't hurt shooting a lurker. Shooting the most lurky players does Town a service regardless of their alignment

Although I still prefer if you shoot Liftrasil
Things fall out very much as happen previously, which is how I expect, with a great deal of carry on and no small amount of blustering, which is often called flim-flam.
Well, I am seeing how the small guy who Cadaver Slim brings over from Boston and calls Lazy Walkins is in reception of plenty of attention, and yet he surprises me somewhat by sitting way low down in his chair with his hat over his face and doing a very convincing impression of a guy having a nap before lunch. And I am so taken with this notion that I am also putting my hat on low over my eyes and getting my shoulders down into my chair, which is how it comes out that I miss a large portion of the events and find myself now unable to relate them to you.

3 - Lazy Walkins (LASER97) - Lifthrasil, SirPrimalform, LASER97,

1 - Scenes Supplamicz (supplementscene) - Cadaver747,

0 - Games O'Rager (GameRager) -
0 - Large the Lift (Lifthrasil) -
0 - Miss Pookie Mustard (Pookina) -
0 - Jocelyn Carradice, the Dancer (Carradice) -
0 - Shirley Primalley (SirPrimalform) -
0 - Cadaver Slim (Cadaver747) -
0 - Cristine the Gale (Cristigale) -
0 - Shapie Lonzi (Lonzi) -
0 - No-Lunch -

Not Voting - Lonzi, Pookina, Carradice, Cristigale, GameRager, supplementscene,

LASER97 currently holds the most votes at 3 away from majority.

Deadline for this phase is Saturday Evening, something like.

All - do not deliberately edit your posts. Do not even accidentally edit your posts - which you know can be done by posting while a previous post of yours is the most recent and less than 10 minutes old. Also by opening an edit window to quote yourself, then forgetting and posting from it. Avoid both these activites, as fun as they are!

Cadaver! You know what you did wrong - remain vigilant!

Can we also try and keep the game securely on the SAFE side of the Safe-For-Work/Not-Safe-For-Work border?

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GameRager: @Joe: Joeeeeeeeeeeeeee, what is your reply to the above.....if a day vig day vigged at the exact moment the hammer vote fell would both offings be counted(lynch and vig) or no?
whichever happened first would happen first - if they voted then shot, the lynch would take precedent. If they shot then voted, the kill would take precedent.

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LASER97: Cadaver, the doc is useless as long as the strongman is in the game.
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Cadaver747: Really?
@Joe, really???
ummm... well the strongarm's power takes precedent over the doctor's. As to whether the doc is useless I don't think it's for me to comment.

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Lifthrasil: Also @Joe: will play go to the action phase even if the elimination fails? The PR says: "... That player will be immediately eliminated and play will proceed to the action phase." This can be read as conditional on the elimination. What if that is prevented?
If the vig is blocked the phase won't proceed if they use their power.
One-Shot abilities are expended if blocked, however.
Post edited May 20, 2020 by JoeSapphire
OK, let's get a few things out of the way.


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SirPrimalform: Wow you're right. I could have sworn it started on Monday. Well we shouldn't be too afraid of deadlines yet then. Interesting observation about GR's vote. You think he was rushing onto LASER's wagon to score town points?
I know GR is forgetful and misses a ton of stuff, but even forgetting when's the deadline seems ludicrous to me. Surely he knew when not to post when the thread was dormant, because he hasn't posted a thing during the Night. So why is it all of a sudden a "I forgot about the deadline" scenario?

My theory is not that it was for the Town points (or maybe it has to do with it but not the primary concern), but to ride the wave of people who want Laser offed already.

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Carradice: I very much would prefer that you leave the game with a smile than with a burnt feeling. So, whatever you do, you have my support.
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Also, I feel it much more strongly now. That's the Jocelyn I saw back in the Quidditch field, when she was Town. I like how she didn't raise the pitchfork for what I did or rally me to shoot early, and there's her catch of Lift wanting me to shoot when everyone else wanted to lynch. So I think it's less likely that Carradice is scum.

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LASER97: What's the plan after I flip town? That discussion is worth having as well.
Personally, if you were Town, you wouldn't have self-voted or asked me to wrap up. If you were at L-1, you would've hammered yourself the same way I did that other game. In fact, you would have, I dunno, tried convincing me not to shoot you...that's the whole point of not wanting to kill you right away. And you did convince me not to shoot you...can't guarantee you won't be lynched though :)

But if you were Town anyway? We still have info on who stood up for you and who wanted to dispose of you, that we will use later to help us pin down the Mafia.

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supplementscene: Also @Pooka it wouldn't hurt shooting a lurker. Shooting the most lurky players does Town a service regardless of their alignment

Although I still prefer if you shoot Liftrasil
I prefer shooting people who are acting scummy, not people who don't have the time to play the game. If you're talking about Lonzi, if she cannot continue playing the game any longer, she will be replaced by someone else who can post more and give us a better idea of what Lonzi's seat actually is. If it's Cristi, give her some time, work can be hard sometimes and she might need the rest before committing to the ginormous task of untangling everything that's happened since my reveal.

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JoeSapphire: If the vig is blocked the phase won't proceed if they use their power.
One-Shot abilities are expended if blocked, however.
So if the vig isn't blocked, the phase will proceed. Got it.
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JoeSapphire: If the vig is blocked the phase won't proceed if they use their power.
One-Shot abilities are expended if blocked, however.
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Pookina: So if the vig isn't blocked, the phase will proceed. Got it.
proceed to the next phase. Let me try again

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JoeSapphire: IF the vigilante is blocked, by either the Doctor/Roleblocker, or the Strongarm, then attempting to use their ability will not end the Elimination Phase.
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JoeSapphire: IF the vigilante is blocked, by either the Doctor/Roleblocker, or the Strongarm, then attempting to use their ability will not end the Elimination Phase.
YES I MEAN BULLETPROOF RATHER THAN STRONGARM THANK YOU LITTLE BRO
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JoeSapphire: YES I MEAN BULLETPROOF RATHER THAN STRONGARM THANK YOU LITTLE BRO
Just edit your own posts you Joe.

You ARE the rules!