Hi, guys!

Will one you give me the background on this?

To both: Is this an Annoyed vote? Serious vote?

In a previous game someone said they were mafia/scum on the first day, seemingly as a joke...no one believed them much and they turned out to be scum later on. Also someone else in that same game(a town player) also made a similar claim(as a joke) around the same time and added further confusion to the mix.

I am guessing Lift's post/vote is part serious, but likely mostly joking....as it is D1 and such votes/reasons for voting are common(Lift, feel free to verify or correct this as needed).

So right now I think there are 2 possibilities.

1. A mafia player of players have jumped on Pookas wagon. It's built quite quickly to 3 votes. If this is the case, then I think the third vote, in Liftrasil's looks the most suspicious

2. That mafia have avoided confrontation and haven't voted. The none voters are:

Cadaver Slim (Cadaver747)
Lazy Walkins (LASER97)
Cristine the Gale (Cristigale)
Games O'Rager (GameRager)
Shapie Lonzi (Lonzi)
Mike the Fish (Microfish_1)

I tend to think lurky silence should be punished regardless of role. As it makes it too easy for Mafia to hide in the shadows and if these players are town they don't help town solve the game.

Or maybe, just maybe...I am joking for the heck of it, nothing more, nothing less. Just a thought.

Well I registered back in 2013 but haven't started posting anytime earlier than 2015 or 2016 at the very least. It's possible that Lonzi just bought a couple GOG games here and there before walking into the forums just recently. A quick look at her rep would tell you she's new 'round these parts.

My scumhunting experience is different from yours, you know. Maybe you just need to see me scumhunt as Town for one itme.

You might want to be careful with voting GR. He might look super scummy at times, even when he's Town. That's how you lost Court of the Sultan after all.

Ah, that's weird. I'm not really the type to make reads off that kind of thing. Am female irl yes, nothing to apologize for though.

What oddities did you see?

Is this because of a wagon thing where you think the third vote is most suspicious or because you think something about Lift's vote was suspicious or something else?

Everything is a possibility. IF you are part of a Mafia that was a risky move which could benefit you in the end, clearing possible suspicion. IF you are Town that move has no benefit at all for you. Just a thought.

Yeah, I looked at Lonzi's rep and I never ruled out the possibility of simple lack of information on how GOG forums work even though it's a bit odd to not know that for more than 1 and half year. How do you know that Lonzi is a she? Also it's nice of you to cover for a new player already.

I would love to but you kinda *ruined* it a bit with your entering joke. And that you find Carraddice trigger happy about his thoughts about Lonzi is okay, but that you have not seen anything else is strange. Wasn't there any other *trigger happy* players?
Carradice put his vote on you, so this situation plays in a new light. So help me to see you as Town by all means.

It's an RVS vote and I have mentioned it already, and the promise was made in signup thread if I'm not mistaken.
GR doesn't look super scummy he acts like a psycho at times for the benefit of the enemy. And yes I know very well how I lost Court of the Sultan.
So why should I be worried?

Well first, I tried risky last time as mafioso and look where it brought me: going out into the snow right after the semi-jesters did. It'd be foolish to play "risky" again, when that same playstyle remains more or less fresh in everyone's heads. I'd give it another game or two before even thinking about anything risky.

...but that doesn't change the fact that my joke...is...just...a...joke. I don't know why the hell you guys are reading too much into a joke made at the start of RVS. I didn't write what I did because I sat down for an hour and thought "hmmm, gotta reenact yogsloth because of reverse psychology, nevermind that I wouldn't pull it off right anyway," NO, all that happened was I opened the GOG forums, saw a thread starting with "GOG Mafia #66" and quickly made my appearance, thinking I was way too late and on the verge of receiving a prod or warning. Even if it wasn't for that, I have the freedom to say whatever silly thing I want regardless of winning condition at the beginning because RVS is just the least tolerable part of Mafia.

Implied in a conversation with ZFR, now explicitly stated just a post or two up. Also thanks.

Yeah, Carradice putting his vote on me has nothing to do with my seeing Carradice as trigger happy. I actually forgot he was on my wagon, not that that info would change my super quick investigation's results anyway.

Ah, I thought it was a serious vote, not RVS.


OK, the rep thing is getting ridiculous. That's the first time I see GR down rated in the middle of a Mafia game thread...

It is an annoyed vote. But I am annoyed enough that I am willing to let it become a serious vote.

The background is, some games ago, agentcarr accidentally claimed scum in his first post, since he hadn't read the rules and didn't notice, that the supposed flavour he was writing was actually the flavourised name of his faction. That kind of broke the game.
In a game after that, he made the same 'mistake' again as a joke and made a full claim, claiming Mafia. Yogsloth, an actual Mafiosi in that game, tagged on and claimed his actual role. In that way, he wanted to gain some 'ha-ha' credits or achieve that any Flavour that any possible flavour-cop would unearth about him would be discredited.

I had a big fight with agent about this. Because a false full-claim, even if it is meant as a joke, is still a lie and I like to lynch-all-liars. Also, if we allow false-claims as 'joke' it gives scum a lot of leeway with playing around with false claims. As evidenced by yogsloth using agent's sillyness. Agent also went on to false-claim twice more in that game.

I like the lynch-all-liars tenet, since it gives Town an edge over Scum. Scum have to lie. Town doesn't. Therefore I am willing to kill all players who make false-claims like that until this kind of 'jokes' stop. These jokes aren't funny, they decrease the fun in the game and they hurt Town.

Eh, I do it not so much to be "psycho"(good film though..the original I mean), but to have fun.....the thing these sorts of games are supposed to also be about. Yes, it may help the opposition sometimes, but it also sometimes helps the team i'm on.

Take SH for example....I played my usual way and we won due to my unorthodox style of play.

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I am guessing the trolls are running out of posts to low rate elsewhere so they're hitting me here now as well, or they have a bee in their bonnet over something, or they respect other mafia OPs but (for some reason) don't respect Joe enough to not low rate me here.....who knows....what I do know is it's best to pay them no mind, and hope they eventually get tired and bugger off.

I thought you were brought to the snow for the different reason, not for a joke.

Yes, the joke is joke and it can be proven only with your death. I'm not voting you so you don't have to persuade me. For some reason I find it hard to understand the logic behind "reverse psychology" joke for a Town person (taking unnecessary risk).
In what way your freedom of speech was questioned? Everyone can say anything, it's exactly the freedom of speech that we need the most to root out crooked characters, right?

Yeah, OK. In post #26 Lonzi posted:
I wasn't quite sure if it was role playing or IRL, before she finally confirmed it in post #66, that's why.

Yeah but HAVE you seen any other *trigger happy* players toDay by chance? (sorry for asking you for a second time)

OK.

LOL ;)

I have revealed a few already. More will come in due time.

Joe's PWEN game:
agentcarr started it by saying "Hi, I'm Watcher of Kalunga", not realizing that in this setting 'Kalunga' meant scum. Joe made an interesting obscure Haitian flavour, where we all got such weird names. It didn't help that Joe couldn't the OP so asked me to do it instead. Joe corrected this by not mentioning "Kalunga" in flavour and it would have gone unnoticed (as I said, we all had weird names and the Haitian setting was something even Google wasn't too familiar with), had it not been for the fact tha agentcarr made another blunder soon.

Next game, Harry Potter:
I (the host) make a reference to this blunder by writing in the OP "Please don't go shouting 'I'm Slytherin'" in your opening post. Pooka jokes by writing "I'm Watcher of Kalunga" in his opening post. agent jokes by writing "I'm Crabbe from Slytherine" in his openging post. Both were Town and this was a clear RVS joke. yogs, who really *was* Slytherine, joined too. Later, agent continued with the joke "I'm Krumm" "I'm scummy this" "I'm scummy that"... even after RVS was over, which annoyed Lift a lot.

I can sympathize with this a lot. I want to townread them for it because of how much it mirrors my own feelings both in this game and in basically every town game I've played for the past year but I'm also aware that I'm susceptible to townreading this kind of thing. I think if they're mafia they're probably making this post because they're frustrated that people are correctly scumreading them for something they don't think is scummy and if they're town they're probably making the post because they want to be able to be lazy without being hassled (or maybe I'm projecting), and the last sentence I think leans more towards the latter one but that's not very strong reasoning.

For me:
Not annoyed.
A tiny bit more serious than an RVS vote.

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