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LASER97: Either Gamerager has suddenly become the voice of reason, or he investigated me last night.
And if the latter is the case what does pointing that out do?
EBWOP (a small correct - adding NOT when it was missing (about logical link), "something something" changed into just "something", added 1 comma and changed "I" into "me")

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supplementscene: Well 2 of my top suspects were town. Why was ZFR shot? He was going to vote for me today most likely, so perhaps:

A) ZFR is a good player
B) To shade town on town conflict between ZFR and myself
A) ZFR is one of the best players here, killing him for the sole reason he is good is a possibility which I would not take into consideration: you don't kill good players because they are good, you're killing good players because they might be dangerous to your cause or because you might use it to confuse the others (your option B). But please correct me if you think that my understanding of things is lacking here.
So I can't accept option A because it's a well known fact that he is good, but I can't say for the others. Let's check your option B then.
B) I've specified at least 3 reasons on why ZFR could have been killed, and the only reason you can see it Town-Town conflict? You can't be serious. Are you?
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_66_lunch_at_gogs_restaurant/post462a

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supplementscene: So it turns out both main wagons from yesterday were town wagons, so Scum can sit on either or on neither.
I would NOT be so certain about that. There is preposition (ZFR killed) and a conclusion (Town-Town), but I can NOT see the logical link. Call me crazy if you like.

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supplementscene: ZFR suspected myself and said he thought something was off about SPF. I pressed him on this and he didn't expand on it.
I can quote ZFR for you and *expand* on his behalf if you like. And afterwards I can *expand* on my own.

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supplementscene: Top Suspects:
Yesterday you suspected me as well. How come? Don't tell me it's because Micro flip Town: it's not clearing my name in any way. There should something more to it. So what is it?

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supplementscene: I think Micro and my wagon had Mafia players on it, probably players that would be on Laser's wagon if he was town.
I was on both. So you're suspecting me after all, right?

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supplementscene: You maybe right but it was where I'd got upto on a re-read.
OK.

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supplementscene: Micro-Scene are town town but I can see from your perspective it may seem it could be 1 of either faction. I just tend to think Laser's wagon should of taken off a bit faster.
Micro is Town because it's a well known fact. Scene (you) is Town because you're saying so. Things don't work that way, I sincerely want to understand why you CAN'T be Mafia, your conclusions are lacking. Sorry if you're really Town but I just want something more solid here, not just your word, especially after yesterday everyone don't give a damn about my promise. So why should we?

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supplementscene: BTW there wasn't a scene wagon when Microfish's wagon grew to 4 votes.
Yes, because before that Laser, then ZFR and then even me were suspecting you: Laser for not voting Micro, ZFR for your statement *If I get NK kill particular players" and me because of your *alien logic*. If not for Laser we all 3 would vote you, but Laser for completely unprompted reason decided to play charade. You were there, you know better. So I don't get your point. What's the point of that, if it could have been Micro (3 votes) vs Scene (3 votes). It's Laser who saved you for a moment and he was not in any danger. YesterDay you were defending him, toDay you're willing to kill him.

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SirPrimalform: Bump!
Much obliged!
Post edited May 19, 2020 by Cadaver747
Bump!
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Cadaver747: 1) ZFR is Town, he was killed. You stated that it s@cks, we know that it s@cks and it looks like you wanting us to think that you are more Town. Right?
Nope....I was just musing on our situation, as I do every game at some point or other. People are free(and even encouraged as part of proper play) to suspect me if they so wish and choose.

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Cadaver747: 2) Most importantly, lastly you mentioned how you were not able to catch up due to IRL (I believe you even if I don't like IRL reason at all), you even mistakenly thought that my vote was still placed on your name, but after the Micro's lynch more than 36 hours passed and you still have not read the posts? Oh, come on! You can do better than this.
I skim read even when not constrained by IRL....as I am not as good at poking every word everyone says for little clues like some are, and also(if I may be blunt) reading every word in dozens of posts gets somewhat boring to me.

I did skim most posts here...

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Cadaver747: Special for you, a blunt answer: the cop could be f@cking killed by that time and we have lynch-free targets at our disposal already. Am I clear now? Also SPF already answered that. I'm really sad, why are you doing this again, acting like Mafia (I'm not accusing you yet).
This is how I always play.....if you've read my past games closely then you know this...if you didn't, well then at least you now know.

That said, also as said before: I like to play more for fun than winning...I still try to win, but fun and socializing is my main motivation....if that makes me look more scummy or less.....*shrugs*.

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Cadaver747: I'm perfectly fine with that. Also please note that I will have to draw conclusions based on your *musings* as well. And I love fluff, what is fluff really in our crazy times? (it's a rhetorical question)
Like that one from Max Payne 1? :D

And yeah, feel free to analyze the sh*t outta anything I say(or don't say).

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Cadaver747: I want Town to win. Even If I was Mafia I would answer the same, your question is either meaningless or it's a soft implication that my desire to lynch possible suspects is bad because, what?.. Exactly!
I am saying we need to pick better as a whole, is all.

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Cadaver747: OK, so you're against lynching Laser for reasons. What about Scene then?
Didn't say I was against it entirely....I am just against voting people out just because they're distracting distractions.

As for the two(scene and laser): I could vote either one at this point, honestly, as I have few good reads at this point....though I would like to have a good reason for doing so if at all possible.

Also yeah that seeming post by laser(which could be seen as them trying to ferret out the cop) is a bit suspicious.....dunno if I want to go all in and vote them yet, though.
Modkill me! I f@cked it up!
Bump.
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Carradice: Bump.
Thanks ;(
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supplementscene: @Liftrasil did you have issues that made it impossible to post coming towards Day 1 deadline? If not why didn't you post?
As I wrote, I had access problems. I was hiking and the net was really bad. I was lucky even to get that notice through, but I didn't have the time or access to read and contribute properly.

Luckily it was only D1, which is chaos anyhow. I'll get around to trying to make sense of what was written after work today.
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Cadaver747: Modkill me! I f@cked it up!
Barring how I cannot see how that happened(SPF's post got made before your edit post), I can confirm that your post didn't change besides the added bit at the bottom if Joe needs confirmation and chooses to spare you the modkill.

(I think he will[though it's up to him of course] and hope he does...I like having you in the game)
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GameRager: Barring how I cannot see how that happened(SPF's post got made before your edit post), I can confirm that your post didn't change besides the added bit at the bottom if Joe needs confirmation and chooses to spare you the modkill.

(I think he will[though it's up to him of course] and hope he does...I like having you in the game)
Because I deliberately clicked edit to get the whole post only to copy and paste it later as a new one. But for some reason I was clicking like a madman. I hate when people do that, so I'm seriously insulted by myself (this is not role playing).

Give me a few minutes, I'll go get myself a cup of hot chocolate...
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SirPrimalform: And if the latter is the case what does pointing that out do?
I don't believe Gamerager is the cop. Neither do you apparently.
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LASER97: Either Gamerager has suddenly become the voice of reason, or he investigated me last night.
Cadaver and SPF already reacted to this post, but I have to ask: what the hell did you want to achieve with this? Let's see:

Case 1: you're Town and you genuienely have the theory that GR is the cop. ... Why would you serve him on a silver platter to scum by pointing that out? NO Town player with at least some experience would be that stupid.

Case 2: you're scum and you are trying to (derp-)clear yourself

Case 3: you're scum and you're role-fishing, by looking for a reaction from GR or someone else.

Case 4: it was meant to be a joke at GR's expense.

Case 1 is very unlikely. If you were Town, you wouldn't sacrifice our Cop in that way. Case 4 is possible, but would it would be very unfriendly to paint a target at a fellow players back for no reason. So Cases 2 and 3 are more likely.

vote Laser97
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Cadaver747: Because I deliberately clicked edit to get the whole post only to copy and paste it later as a new one. But for some reason I was clicking like a madman. I hate when people do that, so I'm seriously insulted by myself (this is not role playing).

Give me a few minutes, I'll go get myself a cup of hot chocolate...
Given the setting and your country of origin, wouldn't a black russian be a better choice? Hmm....

(I think that is chocolate and alcohol)

But anyways, I hope Joe sees fit to spare ya so we can keep playing.....until his decision, let's keep playing the game....did you read my reply yet? If not, go ahead and read/reply if you want.
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Cadaver747: EBWOP (a small correct - adding NOT when it was missing (about logical link), "something something" changed into just "something", added 1 comma and changed "I" into "me")

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supplementscene: Well 2 of my top suspects were town. Why was ZFR shot? He was going to vote for me today most likely, so perhaps:

A) ZFR is a good player
B) To shade town on town conflict between ZFR and myself
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Cadaver747: A) ZFR is one of the best players here, killing him for the sole reason he is good is a possibility which I would not take into consideration: you don't kill good players because they are good, you're killing good players because they might be dangerous to your cause or because you might use it to confuse the others (your option B). But please correct me if you think that my understanding of things is lacking here.
So I can't accept option A because it's a well known fact that he is good, but I can't say for the others. Let's check your option B then.
B) I've specified at least 3 reasons on why ZFR could have been killed, and the only reason you can see it Town-Town conflict? You can't be serious. Are you?
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_66_lunch_at_gogs_restaurant/post462a

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supplementscene: So it turns out both main wagons from yesterday were town wagons, so Scum can sit on either or on neither.
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Cadaver747: I would NOT be so certain about that. There is preposition (ZFR killed) and a conclusion (Town-Town), but I can NOT see the logical link. Call me crazy if you like.

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supplementscene: ZFR suspected myself and said he thought something was off about SPF. I pressed him on this and he didn't expand on it.
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Cadaver747: I can quote ZFR for you and *expand* on his behalf if you like. And afterwards I can *expand* on my own.

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supplementscene: Top Suspects:
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Cadaver747: Yesterday you suspected me as well. How come? Don't tell me it's because Micro flip Town: it's not clearing my name in any way. There should something more to it. So what is it?

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supplementscene: I think Micro and my wagon had Mafia players on it, probably players that would be on Laser's wagon if he was town.
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Cadaver747: I was on both. So you're suspecting me after all, right?

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supplementscene: You maybe right but it was where I'd got upto on a re-read.
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Cadaver747: OK.

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supplementscene: Micro-Scene are town town but I can see from your perspective it may seem it could be 1 of either faction. I just tend to think Laser's wagon should of taken off a bit faster.
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Cadaver747: Micro is Town because it's a well known fact. Scene (you) is Town because you're saying so. Things don't work that way, I sincerely want to understand why you CAN'T be Mafia, your conclusions are lacking. Sorry if you're really Town but I just want something more solid here, not just your word, especially after yesterday everyone don't give a damn about my promise. So why should we?

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supplementscene: BTW there wasn't a scene wagon when Microfish's wagon grew to 4 votes.
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Cadaver747: Yes, because before that Laser, then ZFR and then even me were suspecting you: Laser for not voting Micro, ZFR for your statement *If I get NK kill particular players" and me because of your *alien logic*. If not for Laser we all 3 would vote you, but Laser for completely unprompted reason decided to play charade. You were there, you know better. So I don't get your point. What's the point of that, if it could have been Micro (3 votes) vs Scene (3 votes). It's Laser who saved you for a moment and he was not in any danger. YesterDay you were defending him, toDay you're willing to kill him.

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SirPrimalform: Bump!
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Cadaver747: Much obliged!
I felt conspired against yesterday so I thought my wagon was Mafia heavy. In actual fact 2 of the wagon are confirmed town and the other wagon was on a town player. Mafia don't have a reason to conspire against me when there is another town wagon. I think my wagon maybe all town. But could you be setting me up for a Day 2 lynch as Mafia and staying off the key town wagon? Possibly. However you do seem at least to be looking to solve the game.

No I can't prove to you I'm Town, that's the essense of the game.

You state ZFR is one of the strongest players. Who has played with him enough to know this? Everyone or only some of us? I'm personally unsure, but I've played with him a fair few times.
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supplementscene: You state ZFR is one of the strongest players. Who has played with him enough to know this? Everyone or only some of us? I'm personally unsure, but I've played with him a fair few times.
I think everyone but lonzi has played with ZFR and all the recurring players know that he is quite strong.