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Cadaver747: First of all I gave my word and start up a timer (you might heard about such things), second of all if there will no hammer it will automatically means my execution by angry mod. Lastly the vote change is possible in such cases ONLY if discussed between ALL interested persons in advance. Either you're playing dump with me or you sincerely do not understand the fundamentals here!
We're playing Mafia. Believing the word you gave is naive. And if you don't hammer, it doesn't matter if you do or don't get executed by an angry mob, what matters is there's still no lynch for us to talk about Tomorrow. That's the entire issue. A lynch that is early by 7 hours is better than a failed rush to lynch.

And what were you going to get out of those 7 hours anyway?
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LASER97: @Cadaver

By the way, your English has gotten much better since the first game. I haven't had any trouble understanding you.
Thank you very much. It's not the case but I'm glad. I would like to notify you that I sewn my pockets specifically for that ocasion.

But since you're understanding my bad English (it's bad, there is not denying) could you please reply/comment just on 3 posts?
1)
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_66_lunch_at_gogs_restaurant/post234
2)
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_66_lunch_at_gogs_restaurant/post241
3)
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_66_lunch_at_gogs_restaurant/post388

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Scene labeled Micro as being LAMIST which is fair enough:
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supplementscene: This sounds LAMIST with very little game solving
I asked Scene why he haven't updated the list if he knew about discrepancy:
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Cadaver747: So you say you noticed that there was at least 1 discrepancy. Why haven't you EBWOP it? If you check my post I specifically waited for you and was ready for a bump. And you have chosen Cristi's post over mine... oh well.
And Scene replied:
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supplementscene: Why would you assume I'd be A) be around to catch up B) understand the issue you had without explaining the issue you had? It does sound somewhat like you're trying to shade me off an honest mistake. I noted I hadn't had time to catch up with the game for a couple of days.
So he implied that he was NOT around and that my post haven't been informative enought for him to understand the issue, even though he knew about 1 disrepancy before hand. He even implied that I'm shading him for asking and mentioned that he hadn't time.
And soon after I mentioned that I was watching him being online:
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Cadaver747: I waited for you to update your post (usually people check their posts) and you went offline after a few minutes, then you returned back online again for a few minutes.
I don't know if it was a bug but I saw what I saw and EBWOP could take just 2 minutes: 1 min for a bump and 1 for re-post or 11 mins in worst case.
I just want to know why one does not correct the mistake if it was known *prior* to the post. Is it SO strange to ask?
He changed his statement for a first time and admitted he actually saw my comment hence he WAS around:
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supplementscene: I did actually check the thread and I had no idea why you bumped. I scratched my head in fact. I later realised you wanted me to update my 'who hadn't voted list.' But it's still worth noting who hadn't voted prior to Joe's initial vote count.
What is more interesting is that how he mistakenly thought that others who voted later actually "haven't voted 3 days on when everyone has voted":
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supplementscene: You expect me to update my list of players who haven't voted 3 days on when everyone has voted?
Among others was the curious statement:
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supplementscene: I still think it's worth noting who held off voting before Joe's vote count.
We would never know why it was worth noting, 4 times he'll ignore my query about it and at the end he'll said that it doesn't matter and I'm fixating on it.
quiet all
hush everyone! I'm filling my holes with food! I seem to be all hollow around these parts. Sorry for my bad play, Team!


Oh, and by the way, I wasn't scum....I think???? Or is now the time when I'm supposed to fake-claim scum bodyguard? I'm confused now...goes off to check his PM
Have fun everyone! I hear singing! It sounds like...it is?
Yes it is!
Listen!
"Take me out to the GOG game,
"Pick me out of the crowd,
"Buy me some peanuts and lobster-cakes,
"Joe--he wants his narrative back,
"For it's root, root, root for the TOWN TEAM!
"If they don't win it's a shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame!!
"For it's ONE, TWO, SIX votes and your OUT of the old mafia game!!!!!"

Happy Playing, everyone!
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JoeSapphire: quiet all
Good thing this is a Runyonesque setting with no supernatural elements, else we'd have Peeves running in the middle of the Night again, no?
This all falls out in late Spring, as I am telling you, and I am hearing little about it until early Summer, on a day very much like any other day in late Spring, and I am walking along Broadway, and contemplating this and that, and I am just asking myself why it is that the guys and dolls about on this day seem to be shying away from me, when Shirley Primalley is clapping me on the shoulder and saying like this:"Well well, it is good to see a face you can trust, I am very glad I run into you today." And I tell Shirley, very pleasant, that I am glad to be running into her too, though of course privately I am wishing I am speaking to any other doll in New York state, but she tells me like this:
"You were there when those gorills gunned down the Fish. I consider that a dirty trick, and if I am able to even the score in some way I am like to do so."

To my memory it seems as though Shirley has just as much a hand in the Fish getting slugged the way he does as any other person in the joint, excepting of course Scenes Supplamicz who is holding the shooter at the time and so ought to be given special consideration, but I do not tell Shirley this, as I am certain she would be getting iresome.

Well, she pulls me along and into Gog's, where I am avoiding on account of the bad business that I observe there, that I am telling you about already, and we hurry along to the back room, and I am quite put out to see many of the same guys and dolls grouped there, and talking about this and that, though I do my best not to let anyone there see that I am put out.

Well Shirley seems to forget about me after not too long, which I am very glad for, being as how a guy who is over long in the company of Shirley Primalley is often known to be dead as a doornail or else in trouble with the law over one thing or another.
And so who should tip their hats to me, but Miss Pookie Mustard and Games O'Rager, and, so as not to be impolite, I am telling them good day and asking them what the score is, and I come to ask them as to the health of Diceman like this:
"and how is the Diceman?"
and Miss Pookie looks very serious and tell to me like this:
"Diceman Zeffer is not doing well at all. As a matter of fact, he does ill. To speak frank, he could not be doing much iller on account of how he finds himself deceased this Monday morning."
"How's that?" I am asking, much surprised,
"He is eating something that disagrees with him," Games O'Rager tells me, very confidentially. "Something he eats here at Gog's restaurant when we are here for lunch this Sunday. I don't mind telling you I take it as a personal injury that the Diceman is now dead, for I have no doubt in my mind that he is guzzled most dirty, and one of the guys or dolls here is doing the guzzling."

ZFR is eliminated, he was Town Regular

It is now the Second Elimination Phase
Post edited May 19, 2020 by JoeSapphire
OK. Game is on again. It's a bother that I coulnd't be around for the end of the Day.

What have we learned since then? Scene's defense of Micro, that Laser talked about, wasn't due to Scene/Micro being scumbuddies. Since Micro wasn't scum. Scene's attempted deflection to ZFR still looks strange, though.

@Laser: you said that Scene is confirmed Town, after scum-reading him for a while. How is he confirmed?
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JoeSapphire: ZFR is eliminated, he was Town Regular
Well this sucks.....gonna have to try to skim back through a ton of posts to see who interacted with him and how/when(well unless someone else looks it up first).

I need some more hooch(that's drinks for those younger "kiddos" here).

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JoeSapphire: It is now the Second Elimination Phase
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Lifthrasil: @Laser: you said that Scene is confirmed Town, after scum-reading him for a while. How is he confirmed?
Nothing is confirmed despite what I had previously said, but I find it even less plausible that Scene is mafia now.
Hmm.

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Lifthrasil: @Laser: you said that Scene is confirmed Town, after scum-reading him for a while. How is he confirmed?
Hmm.

Remember when Scene accused LASER of being scum after the fake vig shot? I laughed it off as "silly Scene didn't read the OP", but could anyone really think that the mafia would have a daykill that they use by saying "KILL PLAYERNAME"?

What if that whole bluff was a distancing thing and both of them are mafia? If Scene knew LASER was his buddy but didn't know what he was doing then he might have got flustered enough to double down on the distancing he was already doing rather than the logical conclusion that a townie would jump to: If LASER is a dayvig then he can't possibly be mafia.

Too crazy?
Yes it's a crazy theory, but I expect mafia to push anyways. Why would I trust Scene enough to pull that gambit?

1. There's no day chat

2. We have never played in a game together before

3. He has a history of screwing up and being unreliable

4. It's practically begging for the cop to investigate one of us
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SirPrimalform: Remember when Scene accused LASER of being scum after the fake vig shot? I laughed it off as "silly Scene didn't read the OP", but could anyone really think that the mafia would have a daykill that they use by saying "KILL PLAYERNAME"?

What if that whole bluff was a distancing thing and both of them are mafia? If Scene knew LASER was his buddy but didn't know what he was doing then he might have got flustered enough to double down on the distancing he was already doing rather than the logical conclusion that a townie would jump to: If LASER is a dayvig then he can't possibly be mafia.

Too crazy?
Well, that's the first thing which came to my mind and I believe, at least some players more or less said something similar to your hypothesis before. It's a crazy thing to have that stupid Mafia, but it's a possibility which I can't deny. The worst thing was requesting and claiming the role, and they both should know how it's anti-town. Being so anti-town they were so eager to lynch the pro-Town Micro for his Alignment claim (he has not stated the role initially). I don't buy that unvote > has Micro claimed already? > hammer Micro shenanigans even though I asked for more time. I don't buy that *Moon logic* Town reading on the basis *because he said so* (Laser's experienced point of view) and *because it's either this or he is Town* (Scene's conclusion, and it's not his first game either). They both were ignoring my requests for clarification (Laser still do), they both were lurking, Laser even did something to the contrary to his believes (because *he is better than us* and can be everything each new game), I don't recall too much of scum hunt on their side either, however that small fight over *Micro LAMIST vote* looked genuine enough, the *red flag hoisting* from Laser was crappy to say the least, Laser *killed* Scene soon after ZFR pinned Scene being too LAMIST (*If I get NK, avenge me*), and now Laser out of the blue declares that Scene is even more Town.
Yeah, sure...

ZFR was killed, he openly stated his willingness to lynch Scene on D1/D2, he suspected Pookina among others (also a my suspect), he was annoyed by Laser's actions
1. Mafia might have killed him because of that > stupid Mafia
2. Mafia might have killed him to send our investigation in the exact wrong direction
3. Mafia might have killed him to because of the first Option for a WIFOM (we are not so stupid to do such a thing)

Lastly Mafia might be already doing their thing in bringing as much confusion as possible. If Laser and Scene both are not part of the Mafia then I declare them as the most Anti-Town Town I've ever could imagine in my head.
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LASER97: Yes it's a crazy theory, but I expect mafia to push anyways. Why would I trust Scene enough to pull that gambit?

1. There's no day chat

2. We have never played in a game together before

3. He has a history of screwing up and being unreliable

4. It's practically begging for the cop to investigate one of us
Since your logic is crazy enough, your approach is crazy enough we might as well take that crazy theory into consideration. For WIFOM, how many games you've played before?

1. That would explain the confusion with *the killing play*, yes?

2. See #1

3. See #1

4. Ah yes, discussing what the cop should and should not be investigating for a second time.
And why cop should waster his power on you two if we can just lynch you for free?
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LASER97: Yes it's a crazy theory, but I expect mafia to push anyways. Why would I trust Scene enough to pull that gambit?

1. There's no day chat
Well obviously. The very thing I'm suggesting couldn't have happened if there was a day chat.

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LASER97: 2. We have never played in a game together before

3. He has a history of screwing up and being unreliable

4. It's practically begging for the cop to investigate one of us
The thing you actually claim to have done is pretty crazy, and you've established a penchant for ballsy plays.
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Cadaver747: 4. Ah yes, discussing what the cop should and should not be investigating for a second time.
And why cop should waster his power on you two if we can just lynch you for free?
Isn't the cop unlimited?

If so they could check into all of us one by one anyways and not "waste" anything, given enough game "days"...as long as they live and don't get lynched or NKd, that is.

As for lynching, I think we should be careful who we lynch this time...don't want to give the scum team yet another point in their favor.